[MD] Intellectual and Social

[MarshaV]

John,

But I am thinking there are some pretty dumb scientists out there.  But I suppose 
they had to be kids once; I guess maybe you are correct. 


Marsha



On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:01 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> I remember a comment by John Gatto in Dumbing Us Down where he lays the
> blame at the feet of two different entities - school and tv.  It has to be
> one or both of those, he says, because that's really all kids get.  Those
> are the two sources of values-transmission. there ain't nothin' else.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> It's just the the media.  I've heard professors of astrophysics and
>> particle physics
>> talk with a certainty that made me angry:  "This isn't just mathematics,
>> it's real."
>> Or I mentioned at the Hayden Planetarium Whoopi Goldberg stating "It's true
>> because the scientists have discovered it to be true."  Many of these
>> scientists
>> seem as narrow-minded as any medieval church Inquisitor.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:59 PM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>>> [Arlo]
>>>> As with all theories, those who hold them understand they are metaphors,
>>>> analogies, descriptions that best serve to illuminate the unseeable
>> Void.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok Arlo, I'm gonna lay out for you my particular rant now.  Pay close
>>> attention and please don't jump to conclusions based on past arguments
>> with
>>> others.  I'm certainly not a knee-jerk talk show follower, ok?
>>> 
>>> The fact that those who hold the theories understand them to be just
>> that,
>>> is true.  But the way it works in the modern age, intellectualism takes a
>>> diabolical twist.  Because the theoretical knowledge, gleaned by
>> analytical
>>> minds, is encapsulated and transmitted via powerful media imagery into
>> the
>>> homes of millions, and these millions don't really think through the
>>> philosophical underpinnings of theory and analogistic ways of thinking.
>>> They pretty much take what they see as truth.  They conflate the image
>> with
>>> the word, they confuse the reality they see (an artificial construct) as
>> the
>>> same thing as "the truth of the experts".  They believe they understand
>> the
>>> origins of life, the universe and everything.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ellul helped me to see all this, and he points to the culprit as the
>> CHURCH
>>> that started it all.  The medieval church with its icons and painted
>>> representation, heck, even the crucifix, all this imagery was constructed
>> to
>>> impress upon the minds of the masses the hidden priestly truths of the
>>> bible, a seeingly noble and efficient means but unfortunately, expressly
>>> forbidden by the same tome they touted.
>>> 
>>> Read the second commandment sometime in a non-catholic bible.
>>> 
>>> They did far more damage to society than Aristotle, for nowadays this
>>> technique is unleashed upon a supposedly democratic nation, with the
>> result
>>> being the deluded and ignorant masses see something on tv, they don't
>> take
>>> it analogistically, they take it as reality itself.    And this has worse
>>> effects than cosmological ignorance.  It's got great political
>> significance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'd feel sorry for most of them, but Krimel really oughta know better.
>>> 
>>> Honestly, when he mentioned watching Nova, I literally fell on the floor
>>> laughing.
>>> 
>>> John, eschewer of the glowing idol of the AwDga cult
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