[MD] Metaphysics

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Andre, All. 

13 Jan.you wrote:

Steve to me I presume:
> > Since you equate the MOQ with reality, fitting all of reality into the
> > intellectual level is a problem for you. But accpording to the MOQ, the
> > MOQ is not reality. Quality is reality. The Metaphysics of Quality is
> > words about reality (Quality) rather than reality (Quality) itself.

Steve's unwillingness to understand is monumental. "...fitting all of 
reality into the intellectual level" My foot! Intellect is a  MOQ  level thus 
by no twist of (norma)l logic can the MOQ be an intellectual pattern. 
The MOQ is the Quality Reality in the same sense that Newton's 
Theory is the Gravity Reality. "Where was gravity before Newton ... 
etc.   Regarding "words" see Andre's below  

Andre: 
> Now, I fail to recognise  (having read your reactions to Bodvar's
> post) that language, as a social PoV is somehow different from Reality
> (recognised by Pirsig as DQ/SQ). Isn't language part of the totality
> of DQ/SQ? How the heck is Dynamic change possible at all the levels
> (the lower two regarding our understanding of them) if, as some of you
> appear to imply, language is something different from this DQ/SQ?

Spot on,  I'm delighted that other see the MOQ context. The reason 
that Steve lapses back to words/reality as the great metaphysical 
divide is that he hasn't moved out of SOM where language is 
subjective and thus some illusory shadow of objective reality "out 
there". He has not comprehended that the S/O distinction is rejected 
as absolute (relegated the role as MOQ's static intellectual level) By 
Steve's perpetuates SOM in a thin Q-disguise, now Quality the 
objective reality with the MOQ some subjective shadow.   . 

> It seems to me that SOM prevails when language is considered only as
> an expression ABOUT reality ( i.e a subjective expression about an
> objective ...other reality ...out there) and does not ( as I
> understand Pirsig) function as an active participant PoV  IN the DQ/SQ
> process.

Right you are (wiping a little tear of recognition)

Bodvar