[MD] Metaphysics

[John Carl]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, <skutvik at online.no> wrote:

> Hi John
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> 12 Jan. you said:
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> > The MoQ is an ideal we strive to instantiate, not an image to be
> > captured in stone.  And if it ever is captured in stone, it will be
> > the task of the noble iconoclast to knock it over.  Or put another way,
> > if you meet Buddha on the road ...
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> "Instantiate"? That one is not in my dictionary.


All apologies, let me offer  you a snippet of  mine.  It came with my mac OS
install...

verb [ trans. ]represent as or by an instance :

Philosophy (of a universal or abstract concept) have an instance; be
represented by an actual example.
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>  However, there must
> be a limit to "dynamism" and when logic *) is abolished I dig in my
> heels.



I'm with you.  Who advocates abolishing logic?


> If SOM is what the MOQ tries to wrestle the "M" (existence's
> innermost structure) from  and place it on its own DQ/SQ system, this
> becomes what a moqist sees as existence's innermost structure ...no?
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Nah, it's what an moqist sees as an explanation of existence's innermost
structure.  The map, Bo.  The map.



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> I know that Steve will accept anything - even abolishing logic - to avoid
> the SOL, but I thought there were some who wanted to stay within the
> logcal (ordered) universe. Your reference to Buddhism for example.
> Does not a Buddhist believe that Buddhism conveys Buddhism?
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Nope.  At least, I don't think so. I might say it this way, Buddhism doesn't
convey Buddhism, Buddha does.  But that's probably a wrong way to say it.



> A model indicates some bigger structure which is miniaturized so what
> goes for the model goes for the structure at a greater scale. Ergo,
> Royce's buck stops at the said "metaphysics"  ... not that I understood
> it, but that logic "disappear", no way. Pirsig uses the "container logic"
> as valid for the MOQ-SOM relationship thus people who subscribe to
> the MOQ can't abolish it when (in)convenient.
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Aha, Bo.  But to a pragmatist, the only test of truth is convenience, so
what can you do?


John the dissapointing


Disappointed but still yours
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