[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Magnus

15 Jan.

Ian had said:
> > Empty space is part of that expanding universe.
> > The universe is not expanding "through" anything, not even
> > emptiness. The universe is that beyond which there is nothing -
> > logically, by definition.
 
Magnus:
> Logically? :) Was the pun intended? Pretty funny in this thread. It
> shows where you stand in the original question anyway, and I think I'm
> in the same ballpark. Logic is in some sense *before* our physical
> universe. .... 

Good to see some level-headed Scandinavian around. Ian is 
European, but may be spoilt from his USA experience ;-)  I agree 
about logic as something very basic. A few day ago I tried to press the 
various members for their opinion on logic's place in the MOQ and 
Ian's was something about "logical loops" and "strange loops" which 
means "no logic" and that's untenable.

> The universe depends on it, and uses it for its own purposes. Sounds
> like a lower level to me. 

However, the addition of new levels does not appeal to me, if we open 
that gate where to stop? I agree very much that logic is the universe's  
prerequisite and have suggested it as the inorganic "carbon". Where 
this originates ..?? ... but at this - um - level the buck stops for us all. 

Bodvar