[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

[Magnus Berg]

Hi John

> John:
>
> You and Krimel must waych the same shows, to be so cocky with your editorial
> wheeeee....
>
> So how much space does space fill, anyway?  How old is time?
>
> Please oh intellectually enlightened ones who watch the right tv shows,
> please tell  me the exact number of the ten thousand things.

My main source of info on these things is space.com nowadays, but perhaps your 
question wasn't sincere?

> John:
>
>   At the very most, it will also result in another question.   What we
> metaphysicians term  a "fool's errand".  Says one book, "Canst thou by
> searching find out the most high?"  Says another,  "But the phrase "the Ten
> Thousand Things" was the product of minds incapable of counting and
> cataloguing every particular variety of creature and substance, and this
> incapability sprang not from an inability to count or catalogue, but from a
> lack of the stupidity requisite to such numerical undertakings."
>
> I realize that trying to figure what lies outside the universe and how old
> time is aren't numerical undertakings exactly, but they strike me in much
> the same way.

We don't have to count mindlessly, we have lots of help to avoid losing 
ourselves in counting. Thousands, millions, billions are actually three of those 
tools. We just have to count to 1 to measure the distance to Jupiter in billion 
km for example.

We also have computers to help us count. They can do the counting, we do the 
thinking. Sounds like a good deal to me, so I actually can't see your point.

I was trying to discuss the *nature* of the expansion of the cosmos by talking 
about the numbers (which I didn't actually mention in the post).

	Magnus