[MD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Awareness of Quality

[markhsmit]

Marsha,
That is too complicated and is a conclusion.
I am looking for 10 steps to understanding MoQ.
Surely some of the big thinkers out there can
provide this.  If not, we start from the beginning
and use Pirsig's method of awakening which
is written in ZAMM.

Please provide 10 precepts, tenants, steps, guides,
whatever, for imparting MoQ.  I'm sure this is in the
annals of MoQ, but I cannot find it.

What do you tell the man on the street.  This
is not hidden or forbidden knowledge.  The
success of ZAMM shows that there is an
aptitude for this kind of thing, just not the
patience in our sound-bite driven country.

Mark

On Jan 16, 2010, at 11:00:02 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
From:   MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
Subject:    Re: [MD] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Awareness of Quality
Date:   January 16, 2010 11:00:02 AM PST
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org

Mark,

Quality(unpatterned experience & patterned experience) --- Reality.


Marsha






On Jan 16, 2010, at 12:39 PM, markhsmit wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> Perhaps the first step is to ask individuals to consider 
> if there is a question to be asked regards to quality.
> That is how Pirsig got there. He used the notion of
> quality to achieve his personal world view. Through
> this he then grew that into a systematic representation
> of quality.
> 
> 1. Underlying everything is their quality.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Jan 16, 2010, at 12:53:43 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [MD] [Bulk] Awareness of Quality
> Date: January 16, 2010 12:53:43 AM PST
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Don't you think the first step would be to get individuals to consider
> there is a question to be asked in regards to reality?
> 
> 
> Marsha 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:28 AM, markhsmit wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> It appears to me that many in this post have an awareness
>> of Quality. The MoQ serves to transfer our personal awareness
>> through words and logic and references to another. Once such
>> an awareness is captured, then it becomes subjective. It does
>> not then rely on the objective transfer, but becomes internalized
>> as a new view. At that point it becomes separate from the discussion
>> which preceded it. Many of us are trying to impart (or infect) that personal
>> awareness, each in our own way. The result is, hopefully, a consensus
>> on the best way to impart it to others. It is not so much whether one
>> view is right or wrong, but whether one method is more effective
>> than another.
>> 
>> I can sense the frustration by some when others do not get their
>> awareness, when the relator uses the method by which they
>> achieved it ("how can you not get it?!"). It is difficult when one
>> tries to impart a non-intellectual realization with words. Some
>> philosophies tend to be easier to assimilate. This may be a
>> measure of the reality of the metaphysics itself. In some cases
>> only a small number of like minded individuals share a common
>> awareness. In other cases a large number get it. If truth is in
>> numbers, perhaps it is the vector being used not the subject
>> itself that matters.
>> 
>> If MoQ is to become a pandemic, maybe simpler and less wordy
>> concepts should be used. I see a big difference
>> between ZAMM and Lila in terms of such infection. Why is
>> that? Does Lila get too far away from the truth? If an understanding
>> of reality using the concept of Quality is indeed the most
>> efficient method for creating reality awareness, perhaps it
>> should be simplified. The twelve steps of achieving an
>> awareness of the world through MoQ.
>> 
>> Do we expect Quality to be the right method of imparting
>> the awareness of reality?
>> 
>> Mark
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