[MD] Where does logic itself belong inside the MOQ?

[Ian Glendinning]

Magnus & Bo,

Interestingly Magnus got the point, but Bo didn't.

The "idea" here is that this kind of logic is outside or before the
whole of reality is the issue. Bo just resorts to ridicule when he
bumps up against my suggestion .... yes, but this is not all there is
to logic.

In the real world, logic has to recognize that the "objects" it is
talking about are different categories, patterns in and across
multiple levels. The causal chains cannot be reduced to simple objects
related by if this then that then the other ... there are much
stranger loops at work when the logic(s) cross levels.

Oh and I see Bo even tries the "goodbye" you're not worth arguing with
tactic on Magnus too.
Regards
Ian

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:36 AM,  <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> Hi Magnus
>
> 15 Jan.
>
> Ian had said:
>> > Empty space is part of that expanding universe.
>> > The universe is not expanding "through" anything, not even
>> > emptiness. The universe is that beyond which there is nothing -
>> > logically, by definition.
>
> Magnus:
>> Logically? :) Was the pun intended? Pretty funny in this thread. It
>> shows where you stand in the original question anyway, and I think I'm
>> in the same ballpark. Logic is in some sense *before* our physical
>> universe. ....
>
> Good to see some level-headed Scandinavian around. Ian is
> European, but may be spoilt from his USA experience ;-)  I agree
> about logic as something very basic. A few day ago I tried to press the
> various members for their opinion on logic's place in the MOQ and
> Ian's was something about "logical loops" and "strange loops" which
> means "no logic" and that's untenable.
>
>> The universe depends on it, and uses it for its own purposes. Sounds
>> like a lower level to me.
>
> However, the addition of new levels does not appeal to me, if we open
> that gate where to stop? I agree very much that logic is the universe's
> prerequisite and have suggested it as the inorganic "carbon". Where
> this originates ..?? ... but at this - um - level the buck stops for us all.
>
> Bodvar
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