[MD] Are theists irrational?

[Ian Glendinning]

Steve, John, Platt,

I agree 100% with John, bar one word ... when he says ...
>
> My opinion is that not all theists are irrational, though most probably are,
> going on the evidence.  But taking a postulate as fundamental is a big no-no
> in metaphysical speculation.
>
> You ask how we can tell the difference between the rational theist and the
> non-rational and I'd say the difference is right at the point of being
> willing to be objective about one's beliefs.
>
And that word is "objective". I prefer "contingent", and then look at
the processes people use to evaluate their beliefs. (At which point we
jump into the other thread on pathesism and whoreshipping nature ...)

In a way, exactly as Platt (and myself) have said many times before ..
"As Godel's Theorem reminds us, all knowledge is ultimately faith-based."

The scientists are "losing their edge" as John puts it, because they
tend to ignore their faith in their process and simply claim higher
moral ground.
Ian