[MD] Are theists irrational?

[Ian Glendinning]

Andre, quoted Pirsig to Turner ...

'What complicates all this discrimination between intellectual and social
thought are intellectual patterns that are no longer intellectually
valid but are sustained by the social traditions that they created long
ago. Religious beliefs are in this class. Classical physics is in this
class. I think much of the opposition to the MOQ falls in this class as
well'

Thank you for that - I've been banging at that message for so long ...

"intellectual patterns that are no longer intellectually valid but are
sustained by the social traditions that they created long ago" says
it.

There is some socially conventional "faith" in all real science,
whatever the theory says.
The last thing we want to do is agree an inrepretation of MoQ that ignores that.

Regards
Ian

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Andre Broersen
<andrebroersen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ian to Arlo:
> I agree it mostly has it (maybe even 99% has it). Science is therefore
> morally supereior if and only if it really is an intellectual pattern.
> In practice it operates through many social patterns too. In theory
> science has the moral high ground ... in practice ...
>
> Andre:
> Hi Ian, Arlo, of course this caught my eye as I was reading and the
> musings over this issue led me to start a new thread on the
> SOL/Intellectual level issue.
>
> Ian, you nailed it right to a tee: is the SOL a 'truly' intellectual
> pattern (or as Bodvar claims of course the dominating factor at that
> level)?
>
> This is what I just dug up from the Paul Turner letter: Pirsig:
>
> 'What complicates all this discrimination between intellectual and social
> thought are intellectual patterns that are no longer intellectually
> valid but are sustained by the social traditions that they created long
> ago. Religious beliefs are in this class. Classical physics is in this
> class. I think much of the opposition to the MOQ falls in this class as
> well'.
>
> '...classical physics eh? does he mean Aristotelian physics? meaning
> that the SOL is now sustained by social traditions and has no longer
> any intellectual validity as far as the MoQ is concerned?
>
> Interesting.
>
> Ahhh, points to ponder.
>
> For what it's worth.
>
> Regards
> Andre
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