[MD] Freedom

[John Carl]

Arlo, Craig,

I can't value freedom any more than Andre can believe in Quality.  I AM
freedom.  With what measure do I value my own essence?

And more to Arlo's point, making choice dependent upon chance has a certain
truth ring to it, but I'm not sure I'll buy it.   It makes ME and MY
existence dependent upon chaotic chance. Shudders.  Existential angst comes
all over me.

But it makes so much sense that I'll have to think about it awhile and maybe
do some reading.

Shuddering John

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:41 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu>wrote:

> [Craig quotes Arlo , paraphrased (I can't find the post)]
> The value of freedom is in spontaneity.
>
> [Arlo]
> I think I said that freedom is not possible without chance, probability,
> chaos,
> unexpected consequences, etc. It is from "chance" that freedom is possible.
> I.e., if something has no chance but to do something in a particular way,
> then
> it is not free.
>
> [Craig]
> For me it is the opposite.  I value freedom because it allows me to choose
> based on what I think are the likely outcomes.
>
> [Arlo]
> And your freedom to choose is rooted in the "chance" that you could always
> choose otherwise.
>
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