[MD] Are theists irrational?

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Ian]
Yes, but it is the blindness to the blind spot that is the blind spot.

[Arlo]
A meta-blindspot? What if I was blind to the blindness to the blindspot? Of
course, I could be blind to that blindness as well. ;-)

[Ian]
That contingency goes unrecognized. We need to break that logical dead end.

[Arlo]
The problem here is S/O thinking (not enough Dusenberry's in the mix). 

[Ian]
Science may "wish" it was a symbolic system, but it also increasingly wants to
be part of the real world. That is my point - if that is the problem, that is
what we should address, by level-shifting.

[Arlo]
There are many valid questions to ask as scientific knowledge allows man to
effect the world around him. It allows/ed us to build atomic bombs, to consider
Eugenics, to go to the moon, to cure diseases, to build nuclear reactors, to
genetically profile embryos... and on and on. 

In fact, "science" has always been a "part of the real world", isn't it S/O
thinking to claim it isn't? In fact, isn't this separation the problem?

[Ian]
Millions of people are making noises that faith-based religion is not good. I
add my voice to that every day. But that's the easy bit. The hard bit is fixing
the problem with the alternative - particularly if some people see it as a
problem that can never be overcome.

[Arlo]
Agree.