[MD] Intellect's Symposium

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From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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John,

I'm not a religious person and have no idea what a religious experience would be.  

For weeks it felt like something was going to happen, like my mind was squinting, or something, and then it happened.  It was visual.  I was seeing but their were no thoughts in my head, but I was aware.  It was seeing, but not seeing anything.  It lasted about 5 minutes, no less, but I don't know for sure.  I was flabbergasted because it was so obvious.  OMG, unpatterned experience!!!  Or, OMG I was totally aware without thinking.  And then I began not to believe my own experience, so I did on my own.  Naturally, I was excited.  The next day I did it again of my own volition.  I was overjoyed, of course.  It was wonderful.  It was amazing.  I tried it again about a week later, and made it happen, but I haven't tried it since, which is sad.  Life interfered, or more probably I'm lazy and ungrateful.  But it was "real".  Yet it's no big deal; it's what naturally happens.  I guess.  Oh, I don't know; I don't know anything.    

I do not often enough sit in meditation, but do try to keep a mindfulness throughout my day.  I think there is a relationship, but I'm guessing.  I had a very formal meditation practice for a few years and was able to watch my thoughts.  I have no trouble saying that's watching patterns flicker through mind, and that is why I go on about Quality (unpatterned experience and patterned experience); both have been experienced.  

Maybe you'll think I have just described indigestion.  Maybe if I hadn't had such experiences I'd think the same thing.


unMarsha







On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:58 PM, John Carl wrote:

> sounds almost like a religious experience Marsha.  Did it feel that way?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:26 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I was teasing.  It never happened while I was formally
>> meditating.  I don't know why or how it happened, but
>> it did.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
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>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:21 PM, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> Yes, the 'idea' would be a pattern, but an experience
>>> need not be patterned.  Instead of tenderness, try a
>>> little meditation.  Or, you once offered to hit me on the
>>> back of the head with a 2x4, may I offer to do the same
>>> to you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:03 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do you mean I'd find unpatterned experience in Jane Austen?  I've read a
>>>> couple of hers, and I have no idea what would qualify.
>>>> 
>>>> In fact, the very idea that anything could qualify as unpatterned, is a
>>>> pattern.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe I'm just too metaphysically picky.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 12:04 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> There's no such thing as
>>>>>> "un-patterned experience"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are such experiences, but not for you.  And I'm sure it
>>>>> is being studied as a attribute of meditation..  I bet you might
>>>>> find something in books by James Austin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
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