[MD] Muslim Mechanisms

[John Carl]

My wife pointed out my link wasn't very helpful.

This is more like it:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/people4dqu/

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:

> Khaled,
>
> Your point about the comparison of treatment with American Indians was well
> taken and well timed, as I was just writing on the subject at another
> mailing list I'm on, a pretty quiet one, so far, but three messages this
> morning (people4dqu at yahoo.com is the list - open to all and if anyone
> wonders about D-Q University, that's where I focus my words on THAT
> subject)  so I appreciate your comparison, and your historical points.
>
> If I could go back in time and give advice to the Native American World and
> the Muslim World, it'd be on this one point you make:
>
> The Muslim and Arab world was looking to the west for help, support,
>> direction and as a model example to what to strive for.
>>
>>
> How has that worked out?  And I say the same to American Indians, who also
> adopted the accoutrement of the SOMish paradigm, because it promises (and
> delivers) great power and material prosperity -  How has that worked out?
>   The snake promised godlike powers, but took away  innocence and purity.
>
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>> that revolution was not meant to turn the country into a theocracy.
>>
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> heh-heh, many a slip twixt the cup and the lip, as I tell all my
> power-mongering hegemonic empire builders.
>
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>
>> That is not to say that some of you said is not true or does not have
>> it's merits. Then again, how many treaties did we sign with the Indians
>> only to keep breaking them. To this day, some of those treaties have not
>> been settled.
>>
>>
>
> Well to be honest, my main point is the one about the long-term breeding of
> an Idiocracy.
>
> "m"oqism is more about analyzing society in terms of real value - and I
> find it fascinating that the western intellectual stopped procreating about
> 30 years ago, American and European - heck, and Japanese for that matter.
>  Even China has an ongoing and looming problem with their strict
> population-control agenda, so it's not just the west, its industrialized
> civilization where we define over-population by "I can't find a parking
> space at WalMart".  Whereas in reality, population problems are not cause
> the quantity of people.  Population problems are caused by the quality of
> people.  And we've produced an entire generation of non-productive, in terms
> of actual real productivity - making or growing real goods - people without
> any idea that their life should produce useful worth to the mother earth
> which birthed them.  People with a purely victim mentality at the root of
> their being.  People who have abandoned morality in the service of hedonism,
> and then cry foul because they see themselves being swamped by a competing
> society.
>
> You're right Khaled.  It is funny. Funnier even than I realized.
>
> John
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>> Khaled
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