[MD] What does Pirsig mean by metaphysics?

[John Carl]

Sure Marsha, go right ahead.  Why not?

John

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:41 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> Should I ask you to consider the relativity of what is 'to your mind?'
> To my mind a Mozart Symphony, for example No. 40 - K550,  may inspire
> painting on the ceiling.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:16 AM, John Carl wrote:
>
> > Absolutely agree on form and structure of jazz, Marsha.  And there is a
> > dynamic aspect to computer programming and advanced math, I'm sure,  just
> > like classical music.
> >
> > But to my mind, jazz was so dynamic for the same reason our mural
> projects
> > are more dynamic than a lone artist's work - the collaborative effort
> > produces a variety and diversity of expression that feeds the others into
> > new insights.  When an orchestra sits down with Beethoven's music in
> front
> > of them, their craftsmanship is required.  Their creativity is not.
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> When Beethoven was composing, he was producing music the likes of
> >> which audience had never heard before.  He was "Far out there Man!!!'
> >> And I can assure you that a jazz pianist doesn't go to a keyboard and
> >> just pound on any notes.  There is form and structure under Jazz too.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:19 PM, John Carl wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sure Marsha, even before you posted them in the recent past.
> >>>
> >>> Quality in it's more static aspect does not obviate Quality in it's
> more
> >>> dynamic.
> >>>
> >>> Can't put new wine in the old wine skins,
> >>>
> >>> Later,
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Plu-eeze!
> >>>>
> >>>> Obviously spoken by someone knowing little of classical music...
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you ever listened to Bach's Goldberg Variations?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:35 AM, John Carl wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well said Andre,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Pirsig does not want his metaphysics to be another prison. Hence the
> >>>>>> DQ/SQ divisions... and (if you like) the notion of the continuation
> of
> >>>>>> evolutionary progress (which is 'open-ended'). That is: it remains
> >>>>>> provisional.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pirsig in ZAMM quotes jazz musicians - jazz, a uniquely new American
> >> Art
> >>>> -
> >>>>> influencing the culture at large, Kerouac adopted Jazz style to
> >>>> literature
> >>>>> and inspired a new generation of writers to break free from the
> prison
> >> of
> >>>>> formal rigidity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Classical symphonys, with every note defined and in its place, have
> >> their
> >>>>> beauty, Bach in his realm, Kant in his. Breathtaking!  but the MoQ is
> >>>> more
> >>>>> like Jazz,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jazz is not chaotic at its roots.  It might seem so to those
> >> overly-fond
> >>>> of
> >>>>> having every note defined, but the musical structure dictates a
> >>>> harmonious
> >>>>> unity that is not intellectually defined, but sensed, and felt, and
> >>>> played
> >>>>> with freedom.  The MoQ invites harmonious riffs, not apparent to the
> >>>>> original composer and discovered in the playing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Man if you could just drop all them high-falutin' pretensions and
> DIG
> >>>> it"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>>
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