[MD] What does Pirsig mean by metaphysics?

[MarshaV]

John,
 
Should I ask you to consider the relativity of what is 'to your mind?'
To my mind a Mozart Symphony, for example No. 40 - K550,  may inspire painting on the ceiling.


Marsha




On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:16 AM, John Carl wrote:

> Absolutely agree on form and structure of jazz, Marsha.  And there is a
> dynamic aspect to computer programming and advanced math, I'm sure,  just
> like classical music.
> 
> But to my mind, jazz was so dynamic for the same reason our mural projects
> are more dynamic than a lone artist's work - the collaborative effort
> produces a variety and diversity of expression that feeds the others into
> new insights.  When an orchestra sits down with Beethoven's music in front
> of them, their craftsmanship is required.  Their creativity is not.
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> When Beethoven was composing, he was producing music the likes of
>> which audience had never heard before.  He was "Far out there Man!!!'
>> And I can assure you that a jazz pianist doesn't go to a keyboard and
>> just pound on any notes.  There is form and structure under Jazz too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:19 PM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> Sure Marsha, even before you posted them in the recent past.
>>> 
>>> Quality in it's more static aspect does not obviate Quality in it's more
>>> dynamic.
>>> 
>>> Can't put new wine in the old wine skins,
>>> 
>>> Later,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Plu-eeze!
>>>> 
>>>> Obviously spoken by someone knowing little of classical music...
>>>> 
>>>> Have you ever listened to Bach's Goldberg Variations?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:35 AM, John Carl wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well said Andre,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pirsig does not want his metaphysics to be another prison. Hence the
>>>>>> DQ/SQ divisions... and (if you like) the notion of the continuation of
>>>>>> evolutionary progress (which is 'open-ended'). That is: it remains
>>>>>> provisional.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pirsig in ZAMM quotes jazz musicians - jazz, a uniquely new American
>> Art
>>>> -
>>>>> influencing the culture at large, Kerouac adopted Jazz style to
>>>> literature
>>>>> and inspired a new generation of writers to break free from the prison
>> of
>>>>> formal rigidity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Classical symphonys, with every note defined and in its place, have
>> their
>>>>> beauty, Bach in his realm, Kant in his. Breathtaking!  but the MoQ is
>>>> more
>>>>> like Jazz,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jazz is not chaotic at its roots.  It might seem so to those
>> overly-fond
>>>> of
>>>>> having every note defined, but the musical structure dictates a
>>>> harmonious
>>>>> unity that is not intellectually defined, but sensed, and felt, and
>>>> played
>>>>> with freedom.  The MoQ invites harmonious riffs, not apparent to the
>>>>> original composer and discovered in the playing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Man if you could just drop all them high-falutin' pretensions and DIG
>>>> it"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>> 
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