[MD] What does Pirsig mean by metaphysics?

[John Carl]

Absolutely agree on form and structure of jazz, Marsha.  And there is a
dynamic aspect to computer programming and advanced math, I'm sure,  just
like classical music.

But to my mind, jazz was so dynamic for the same reason our mural projects
are more dynamic than a lone artist's work - the collaborative effort
produces a variety and diversity of expression that feeds the others into
new insights.  When an orchestra sits down with Beethoven's music in front
of them, their craftsmanship is required.  Their creativity is not.



John

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:52 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

>
> When Beethoven was composing, he was producing music the likes of
> which audience had never heard before.  He was "Far out there Man!!!'
> And I can assure you that a jazz pianist doesn't go to a keyboard and
> just pound on any notes.  There is form and structure under Jazz too.
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:19 PM, John Carl wrote:
>
> > Sure Marsha, even before you posted them in the recent past.
> >
> > Quality in it's more static aspect does not obviate Quality in it's more
> > dynamic.
> >
> > Can't put new wine in the old wine skins,
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Plu-eeze!
> >>
> >> Obviously spoken by someone knowing little of classical music...
> >>
> >> Have you ever listened to Bach's Goldberg Variations?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:35 AM, John Carl wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well said Andre,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Pirsig does not want his metaphysics to be another prison. Hence the
> >>>> DQ/SQ divisions... and (if you like) the notion of the continuation of
> >>>> evolutionary progress (which is 'open-ended'). That is: it remains
> >>>> provisional.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pirsig in ZAMM quotes jazz musicians - jazz, a uniquely new American
>  Art
> >> -
> >>> influencing the culture at large, Kerouac adopted Jazz style to
> >> literature
> >>> and inspired a new generation of writers to break free from the prison
> of
> >>> formal rigidity.
> >>>
> >>> Classical symphonys, with every note defined and in its place, have
> their
> >>> beauty, Bach in his realm, Kant in his. Breathtaking!  but the MoQ is
> >> more
> >>> like Jazz,
> >>>
> >>> Jazz is not chaotic at its roots.  It might seem so to those
> overly-fond
> >> of
> >>> having every note defined, but the musical structure dictates a
> >> harmonious
> >>> unity that is not intellectually defined, but sensed, and felt, and
> >> played
> >>> with freedom.  The MoQ invites harmonious riffs, not apparent to the
> >>> original composer and discovered in the playing.
> >>>
> >>> "Man if you could just drop all them high-falutin' pretensions and DIG
> >> it"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>
> >>
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