[MD] grmbl

[MarshaV]

On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Andre Broersen wrote:

> Marsha to Andre:
> 
> Andre previously:
> I am not replacing anything!! (it is Bodvar who tries to do this) I am simply suggesting that dialectics and rhetoric, as a mode of enquiry belong at the intellectual level. I mean, if these two modes are not about a skilled manipulation of symbols I don't know what is.
> 
> Mr. Pirsig described rhetoric as as form of 'mystic art' (ZMM p 145, my e-copy) and suggested on p185 that 'philosophical mysticism,the idea that truth is undefinable...has been with us since the beginning of history'.

We were discussing the fourth level that contains intellectual static patterns of value.   Have you changed the subject, and why?  


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> Marsha in response:
> Thing is that this is your opinion.  Not anything like the closest to RMP's MoQ.
> 
> Andre:
> Thing is that you leave out the word 'just' as in 'it is just your opinion'.( ZMM following Phaedrus' thing in ZMM).
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Nothing was left out.  The subject was intellectual static patterns of value.  And you offered your opinion: "Thing is that at the intellectual level one can entertain two or three or dozens opposing or contradictory or affirming ways to handle the knife. I don't particularly care what you call them, be it logic, rational, irrational... whatever. The greater freedom which this level affords us, in comparison to the other levels is, I think indicative of the wonderful ways we have learned to adapt, interpret and deal with whatever we experience."


> Thing is that you are not responding to what Mr. Pirsig says, which is not surprising since Bodvar's SOM, which you adhere to, excludes anything and everything which seeks to combine immediate experience and the rational understanding of this with reference to Quality... which Mr. Pirsig refers to as mystic art.

'Mistic art' is a different subject.  You are soooo full of baloney.  Well, my definition, with no contrary evidence from you.  


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> As dmb noted earlier; Bodvar's understanding excludes DQ.

DMB is NOT an authority to proclaim a MoQ papal bull, either.  The bull you are both full of is not the papal kind.    



Marsha 


 
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