[MD] The Greeks?

[MarshaV]

On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:

> Mary to Andre (& Steve),
> 
> It seeks to dominate the patterns valued by the level below.
> 
> Andre:
> I prefer the use of 'dominate' and 'guide' when and where appropriate, as Mr. Pirsig does.
> 
> Mary:
> 
> Once you have chosen to wield the analytical knife by dividing SQ into
> subjects and objects your course is set and cannot be altered.
> 
> Andre:
> In the MOQ subjects are social and intellectual patterns of value, objects are inorganic and organic patterns of value.
> 
> I do not quite follow what point you are trying to make.
> 
> Mary:
> The MoQ is an intellectual idea.  Spawned in the mind of a man as steeped in
> SOM as any;
> 
> Andre:
> I think you are suggesting that the MOQ is 'out of' SOM. You know that I do not agree with this argument.
> 
> Mary:
> but, as with all that is new, we must ask what it values and
> decide whether that agrees in value with the level from which it sprang.
> 
> Andre:
> I'll let Mr. Pirsig describe the 'process':
> 'At first the truths Phaedrus began to pursue were lateral truths;no longer the frontal truths of science, those toward which the discipline pointed, but the kind of truth you see laterally, out of the corner of your eye...you start looking laterally. That's a word he later used to describe a growth of knowledge that doesn't move like an arrow in flight, but expands sideways, like an arrow enlarging in flight...Lateral knowledge is knowledge that's from a wholly unexpected direction, ...Lateral truths point to the falseness of axioms and postulates underlying one's existing system of getting at truth. To all appearances he was just drifting...Drifting is what one does when looking at lateral truth. He couldn't follow any known method of procedure to uncover its cause because it was these methods and procedures that were screwed up in the first place. So he drifted'. (ZMM)
> 
> Mary:
> I would suggest that the MoQ is a new idea that would defeat SOM and take
> off on purposes of its own.
> 
> Andre:
> And I suggest that the MOQ is Mr. Pirsig's 'root expansion of rationality'. That which he set out to do in ZMM and finished in LILA. ZMM is about DQ (if you like) and LILA is about SQ.
> 
> And what does it(i.e this intellectual pattern called MOQ)value? It values Truth as a species of Good.



Andre,

In the James quote is truth capitalized because it comes at the beginning of a sentence or because it represents an absolute truth?  

I consider static patterns of value to be truths, truths that are ever-changing, relative and impermanent. 


Marsha  

 
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