[MD] Reading & Comprehension

[John Carl]

Krimel of the Holy Grail:


> [Krimel]
> As far as I am concerned metaphysics in fact any form of conceptual
> scheming
> is like looking for the Holy Grail of Swiss Army knives. I want the most
> compact tool I can find to fix the most broken stuff I am likely to run
> into.


Thar ya go then.  I'm right there with you so far.  That's what a
metaphysical stance is for, to help you stand.  To take a position where you
like the view.  It's nothing more complicated than that.

I agree completely.




> [John]
> And that's the issue I have with randomness.  It means nothing.  Ya gotta
> have meaning in your metaphysical stance or what good does it do you?
>
> [Krimel]
> The meaning of "meaning"... Ah there's the rub. I am still clinging to
> Shannon's "reduction in uncertainty". There may be something better but I
> haven't found it yet.
>
>

Well I don't quite get what's wrong with the MoQ, in your view.  The way I
see it, life could no more arise without Tao/Quality than planets could
clump together absent the force of gravity.  I guess you could say that all
these particles were just flying around randomly, and then happened to make
stars, but what good does that particular view do for ya?

As an intellectual tool, it neither cuts, plys, prys or pulls ... or gets
you off the planet.

I can just imagine Neal Armstrong as a moronist, sitting in his rocket
powered craft, waiting to randomly float off the to moon.

 Theories of gravity have pragmatic usefulness, and so does the MoQ when
compared to the metaphysics of randomness.

>
> [Krimel]
> I don't have a problem with the term nihilism. I get all warm and fuzzy
> when
> Ham calls me that. But that really isn't how I see it. Once you get away
> from the idea that it is out there in the world or in God or in some
> Absolute you learn to start looking for it on your own.


Ah, I see.  You are denying any superior self to your own, is your stance,
and you think the MoQ lets that possibility back in the door, after SOM had
pointedly slammed it shut.

Well, that puts your self as your absolute, you realize, and your self has
no more metaphysical reality than any other self so it's just a
psychological urge, is what it is.

Tell me Krimel, How was your relationship with your mother?




> I don't give a shit
> about the meaning and purpose of the universe or God or the Absolute. Even
> if they have it, that doesn't mean it's good for me. It could be Vonnegut's
> Tralfamadorians jerking us around for millennia just to order parts for
> their broken space ship. Fuck that. I have a three month old grandson who
> smiles like an angel whenever I wipe the crap off of his little butt. I
> don't need a higher purpose than that.
>
>
Hey, I hear you.  I'm going through my existentialist phase right now
myself.  I guess my difference is that I find pragmatic utility in theism.




> [Krimel]
> Well as I have tried to show you it not only is ubiquitous. It's uses and
> applications are ubiquitous. Randomness as the term is used in all these
> different ways is not your old school randomness that bothers you. It is a
> measure of uncertainty, (see above). Betterness is always just a matter of
> how you view the odds.
>
>
Krimel, even by your own admission, that makes no sense at all.  What the
#($(!!@ are the odds that you'd enjoy changing a poopy diaper?, and what
does uncertainty have to do with the bedrock certainty you have, and you
share, that this IS a good thing you experience?


> [Krimel]
> But "I" is in the universe. Good as you've got, is good as it gets.
> Sounds like all you need is more time and monkeys.
>
>
Good in the moment, is all the good I need.  But there's always room for
evolving betterness.



> [John]
> PS:  about my navel, it depends on your unit of measurement
>
> [Krimel]
> Well if you are one of the AWGIs just keep looking, it is supposed to just
> come to you in a flash of enlightenment.
>
>
Well I think of myself as someone who "gets it", so I guess I am one.  Not
as often as when I was younger of course.

John the gettin' it on a regular basis