[MD] until death do us part

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi John, I wasn't being entirely serious, just highlighting the balance.

But I didn't contrast chaos with stability, or dynamism with
instability or compare chaos with dynamism - you translated all my
words.

A little chaos is a part of dynamism ... and therefore essential.
Threes may be unpredictable, but that doesn't make them unstable.
And pairs being more predictable / intelligible does prevent then from
being unstable.

But 100% chaotic dynamism s with zero predictable stability would be
... err ... chaos.
Dynamic quality needs static patterns too.
Ian

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:15 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah but Ian,
>
> Pairs set up that ol' pendulum swinging, back and forth, back and forth,
> higher and higher, harder and harder.  Dyadic relations  inherently tend
> toward destruction.
>
> Whereas the triadic is inherently stable - a tripod vs the motorcycle, for
> instance.  And don't even get me started on unicycles!
>
> With three or more, you have an interpreter.  Even Bo pleads to Krimel to be
> an umpire!  Imagine that.
>
> So what you call chaos, I call the dynamic possibility of freedom.  What you
> call stable, I call static cling.
>
> Long reign the threesome!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Ian Glendinning
> <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> To John the enthusiast of group things, from Ian the enthusiast of
>> paired things.
>>
>> I call this the three-body-problem - after Newton. Pairs work because
>> they are (sufficiently) predictable .... three or more, chaos.
>> Workable groups are made of pairs of pairs of pairs of ...
>>
>> Jerry Garcia and Neal Cassady
>> Jerry Garcia and The Grateful Dead
>> Man and wife.
>> Man and mistress
>> Wife and lover
>> Child and sibling
>> Child and parent
>>
>> Subjects and objects do have value.
>>
>> Easier to chew on ?
>> Ian
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Good Morning, Margaret, your quote coincides precisely with a little
>> snippet
>> > I just read, that seems right on the point:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Bruce Lee said in "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do":
>> >> "To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person."
>> >>
>> >> And you sure can learn alot in a relationship whether or not it
>> >> involves the contract of marriage!
>> >>
>> >>
>> > The snippet I read was from the introduction to a book called "On the
>> Bus",
>> > a retrospective of the great bus Further and the Merry Pranksters and
>> about
>> > an episode where a relationship changed the perspective of one person
>> > contemplating individuality vs. community who claimed,  "Neal Cassady
>> > changed my life"
>> >
>> > "He was the mellow Neal, just a guy, just like us.  But there was a
>> > mysterious thing there too. I had the feeling that I was involved in a
>> > lesson...
>> >
>> > Neal represented a model to me of how far you could take it in an
>> individual
>> > way, in the sense that you weren't going to have a work, you were going
>> to
>> > be the work.  Work in real time, which is a lot like musician's work.
>> >
>> > I was oscillating at the time.  I had originally been an art student and
>> was
>> > wavering between one-man-one-work or being involved in something that was
>> > dynamic and ongoing and didn't necessarily stay any one way-- and, also,
>> > something in which you weren't the only contributing factor.
>> >
>> > I decided to go with what was dynamic and with what more than one mind
>> was
>> > involved with.
>> >
>> > The decision I came to was to be involved in a group thing, namely the
>> > Grateful Dead, and I'm still involved with it."
>> >
>> > Jerry Garcia
>> >
>> > So back to the original question Marsha had, about MoQ reasons for
>> marriage,
>> > here's one to chew on.  Living by our own thinking is too static.
>> >
>> > John the enthusiast of "group things"
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