[MD] until death do us part

[John Carl]

Hi Ian,

I wasn't being entirely prompt in my replying...

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi John, I wasn't being entirely serious, just highlighting the balance.
>
> But I didn't contrast chaos with stability, or dynamism with
> instability or compare chaos with dynamism - you translated all my
> words.
>
>
Yeah, that's what I do.

You're entirely welcome.



> A little chaos is a part of dynamism ... and therefore essential.
> Threes may be unpredictable, but that doesn't make them unstable.
> And pairs being more predictable / intelligible does prevent then from
> being unstable.
>
>

Ok, now do me a favor.  Translate yourself!  Cuz I'm not quite sure what you
mean by the predictability of pairs is what keeps them stable.  If something
is predictably headed for destruction, it's not really what I call "stable".
 Not in horse sense terms. annd like my Aunt Kathy the horse nut always
said, Horse sense is stable thinking.




> But 100% chaotic dynamism s with zero predictable stability would be
> ... err ... chaos.
> Dynamic quality needs static patterns too.
> Ian
>
>


Ummm... no.  That don't scan for me.  I get accursed for deifying DQ, but in
for a penny, in for a pound.

DQ is creative of static patterns.  Static patterns arise in response to DQ.
 All we ever sense or know of DQ, is through inference of where the static
quality points at indirectly.

So really, you can't talk about DQ with any accuracy - which is the big
mistake ALL religions make, but you can talk about static Quality with the
mindfulness that an undefinable generates what we experience.  And that
experience  points at that which
is creative of experience, in a "many fingers pointing to the moon"

John the proponent of the MoQ as an Absolute Idealism.



> >>
> >> Easier to chew on ?
> >> Ian
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Good Morning, Margaret, your quote coincides precisely with a little
> >> snippet
> >> > I just read, that seems right on the point:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Bruce Lee said in "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do":
> >> >> "To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person."
> >> >>
> >> >> And you sure can learn alot in a relationship whether or not it
> >> >> involves the contract of marriage!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > The snippet I read was from the introduction to a book called "On the
> >> Bus",
> >> > a retrospective of the great bus Further and the Merry Pranksters and
> >> about
> >> > an episode where a relationship changed the perspective of one person
> >> > contemplating individuality vs. community who claimed,  "Neal Cassady
> >> > changed my life"
> >> >
> >> > "He was the mellow Neal, just a guy, just like us.  But there was a
> >> > mysterious thing there too. I had the feeling that I was involved in a
> >> > lesson...
> >> >
> >> > Neal represented a model to me of how far you could take it in an
> >> individual
> >> > way, in the sense that you weren't going to have a work, you were
> going
> >> to
> >> > be the work.  Work in real time, which is a lot like musician's work.
> >> >
> >> > I was oscillating at the time.  I had originally been an art student
> and
> >> was
> >> > wavering between one-man-one-work or being involved in something that
> was
> >> > dynamic and ongoing and didn't necessarily stay any one way-- and,
> also,
> >> > something in which you weren't the only contributing factor.
> >> >
> >> > I decided to go with what was dynamic and with what more than one mind
> >> was
> >> > involved with.
> >> >
> >> > The decision I came to was to be involved in a group thing, namely the
> >> > Grateful Dead, and I'm still involved with it."
> >> >
> >> > Jerry Garcia
> >> >
> >> > So back to the original question Marsha had, about MoQ reasons for
> >> marriage,
> >> > here's one to chew on.  Living by our own thinking is too static.
> >> >
> >> > John the enthusiast of "group things"
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