[MD] The Greeks?

[X Acto]

Mary:
  Would I be understanding of that which
> I had not experienced?  If not, why should I expect that of others? 
> The MoQ can be understood on many levels, and any of them are better
> than none.  

Ron:
Right, understanding the good on other levels other than objective analysis
is understanding the good in terms of human values, meaning objective truth is
one of many intellectual values that are valued as "good". 

The problem, like you said, is defining all intellectual good in one particular
way, for example such as objective analysis being the only way to value an experience,
it takes centre stage and devalues any other method of making intellectual
value judgements. But if it is understood as one among many ways to make 
intellectual value judgements, one has a wider array of understanding,explaining
and justifying the values you hold. It provides" greater explainitory power."


Bodvar:
You started this post with placing people in camps (in my words) 1) 
The ones who have found a solution of problems with the MOQ.  2) 
The philosophologists and 3) The Hagglers. The two latter are plain, 
but the first camp must be expanded with sub-camps. This is shown in 
your comment on the intellectual level as the fulcrum, a camp is 
needed for those who see the enormity of the MOQ but think that it is 
squandered with the bland 4th. level.  Pirsig relegates the role to all 
levels as that of "controlling" its parent, but with intellect this is 
abolished. That is when he was asked about it, else in LILA intellect's 
true role - as a "control" of social value - keeps popping up and it is 
always in its science & knowledge - i.e. SOM's - role . However, the 
"funamentalist camp" explains this away by  SOM being just one 
intellectual pattern and by this token the 4th. level becomes the mental 
compartment which we know as "mind" and the SOM that the MOQ 
were meant to be a relief from is back in office. 

Ron:
And the 2nd level is the physical level we know as "body" or experience
as "body", experience Bodvar, it's all predicated on experience so certainly
the intellectual level is the experience of thinking. The experience Bodvar.
Reality is experience. the four levels of value, Bodvar. MoQ is an intellectual
(the experience of thinking) value, it is an intellectual good. Because
unlike s/o Logic it does not limit itself, blind itself to all else but an Objective
analytic interpetation of value. Which incidentally, is the basis of your entire
SOL arguement whether you realize it or not.   

Your entire arguement for SOL is based on Objective analytical logical
reasons and the holding of those reasons as the justification to require it
only way in which true intellectual value judgements may be made.

You fill us up with the devils cup and come in the name of the lord.



Keep up your good work.











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