[MD] The Greeks?

[Mary]

Hi Matt,

A lazy Sunday afternoon for me.  My son has gone off somewhere with his
Father and I am grateful.  I can't tell you how important it is to me that
his Father is willing to spend time, any amount of time, with him however
small.  Last night my son and I watched a retrospective of old Dennis Hopper
movies together.  Turns out one of his earliest roles was a tiny one in
"Rebel Without A Cause".  I inwardly cringed at the Sal Mineo character
whose parents were absent throughout the entire film.  The young Sal feels
rejected and worthless, making up all kinds of stories about how is Father
was a 'war hero' or a big banker far away in New York City.  We never did
learn what was really up with his Dad, but Sal discovered the child support
check on his Mother's bedside table just before he decided to take her gun
from under the pillow.  She too was out to lunch, having apparently spent
the child support on a trip to Hawaii.  My heart went out to the poor Sal
and I was wondering if my son would say he identified with him - even if
only partly - since I'm always here.  A trip to Hawaii would be no fun
without him.  That movie was a tear-jerker though.

Anyway, I rummaged around and here's what was originally said.  Sorry to
have been confusing.  I have "obviously" (get it?) misinterpreted you.

Mary said:
For Pirsig to say that the Intellectual Level is thinking itself 
when this seems to surely fly in the face of all he has said 
before must mean something

Matt:
Heh, I suppose, but we have very different senses of the 
obvious.

Mary

> 
> True enough, but perhaps you move too fast for me,
> because I have no idea what we're talking about anymore.
> I had thought _you_ said "For Pirsig to say that the
> Intellectual Level is thinking itself when this seems to
> surely fly in the face of all he has said before must mean
> something."  Given that I thought you said it, I took the
> meaning of "this seems to surely fly in the face" to mean that
> _you_ thought something was "obvious" in reading Pirsig, that
> it was obvious that Pirsig was flying in the face of his previous
> characterizations of the intellectual level.
> 
> Given that I _don't_ think Pirsig was flying in the face of his
> previous characterizations, _I didn't_ think it was obvious.  I
> was _disagreeing_ that what you thought was obvious was
> obvious.  There were no yawns because I thought what you
> were saying was _contentious_, not obvious.
> 
> Though, perhaps I have drastically misunderstood the things
> you've been saying lately, for it often seems like you have to
> radically correct my understanding of the meaning of your words.
> 
> Matt
> 
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