[MD] The Greeks?

[John Carl]

Bo says to Ron,

>
> Ron:
> > And the 2nd level is the physical level we know as "body" or experience
> as
> > "body", experience Bodvar, it's all predicated on experience so certainly
> > the intellectual level is the experience of thinking.
>
>
Bo:


> The 2nd. is the Biological level and its sworn enemy is the inorganic
> (Physical) level. I don't know how to set all this nonsense right.



Nor do I Bo, but I'll try.

As enemy, do you think a flower  shuns the sun?  The roots shun the
minerals?

The first level is not the sworn enemy of the second.  The inorganic
composes the playthings of the organic.  The toys, not the enemy.  Let's see
if it extends further.

Certainly social levels use and toy with biological beings for their own
patterned purposes.  And objectivism reifies and toys with social patterns
in its way as Marx shows most clearly.

I think from this we can conclude that it's far more appropriate and
accurate then to say on every level of being, the higher toys with and is
creative of the lower.  Thus the top-down approach is superior to the idea
that inorganic clumps randomly form life, that life just happens to create
social patterns and out of social patterns, objective ideas magically appear
out of a bunch of random words thrown around by social patterns.

The rest of your dialogue with Ron, I will leave in his capable hands.

John