[MD] The intellectual pattern of truth

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Ron, All.

18 June.:

> " The question isn't, "What makes people insane?" It's "What makes
> people SANE?" 

LILA chapter 29: 

    "The way to really deal with insanity, he thought, is to turn the
    tables and talk about truth instead. Insanity's a medical subject
    that everyone agrees is bad. Truth's a metaphysical subject that
    everyone disagree's about. There are lots of different definitions
    of truth and some of them can throw a whole lot more light on what
    was happening to Lila than a subject-object metaphysics does.   
    If objects are the ultimate reality then there's only one true
    intellectual construction of things: that which corresponds to the
    objective world. But if truth is defined as a high-quality set of
    intellectual patterns, then insanity can be defined as just a
    low-quality set of intellectual value patterns, and you get a
    whole different picture of it.    When the culture asks, "why
    doesent this person see things the way we do?" you can answer 
that
    he does not see them because he does not value them."  

A comment: Pirsig open with the correct SOL interpretation that Q-
intellect is the subject/objective world (that the former may have more 
or less correct ideas about) but then - trust RMP - the impossible 
notion of objective truth merely one "..high quality intellectual pattern" 
as if there are "low quality intellectual patterns" ... seen from the MOQ! 
The MOQ doesn't deem a germ as low biologica quality or a tribe as 
low social quality, it just say that biology is higher than inorganic, social 
higher than biology ...etc.           

Ron:
> This part really explains the concept and the utility of the MoQ for
> those of us who seem to see contradiction in Pirsigs work concerning
> the interpretation of the intellectual level. Obviously Bob is using
> it in two different contexts. In a cultural context and an acultural
> context. Western cultural context of the "intellectual level" is
> objective, there is only one intellectual construction of things.
> Therefore within this context, Bob begins his critique of SOM
> metaphysics and explains how history, evolution, anthropology, and
> even experience can be expanded by understanding that objective
> truth is one of many high quality patterns of intellectual value.
> This is greater explaintory power. This explaination expands
> intellect, expanding the intellectual level for western culture.

Well as far as I'm able to understand Ron he also understand 
"intellect" the somish way as our "central processing unit" where ideas 
are constructed and stored.     

> Bodvars explaination, his SOL explaination, well, doesent really
> explain anything, and does not expand the intellectual level.

You are correct about NOT expanding the intellectual level. The MOQ 
is all about stripping the term of all SOM content of  MIND - the said 
CPU - and re-fill it with its Q-content, the SOM itself.   

> He stated it offered nothing to the intellectual level. 

Who are you speaking about? Pirsig or yours sincerely? 

> He views MoQ in strict evolutionary terms, which is based on
> objective truth. In strict objective evolutionary heiarchal terms he
> makes his aguement that the intellectual level is the objective one
> contruction of reality then establishes that the MoQ IS the true
> realtity. He clearly defines the term metaphysics as synonomous with
> experience. Which then, if accepted, makes the combined statement
> that MoQ is experience and the intellectual construction of it is
> S/O ....I must ask Bodvar, what is the greater explainitory power? 
> Quantum physics has tread this ground for over 100 yrs with greater
> explaination depth and clarity than Bodvars weak and vague
> consructions.  Bodvar, to clear the air once and for all about SOL,
> what is it's greater explainitory power? What is it's practicle use?
> how will it improve our lives? 

Improve lives sounds very NewAgeish. With me a
convincing explanation of existence goes a long way, and with the 
MOQ I found such an explanation for the first time. You know 
humankind can endure almost everything if they know WHY and this is 
what the MOQ delivers through making SOM a static layer within its 
own universe. SOM having emerged in historical times usurping the 
metaphysical throne from the previous level. This lifted a heavy and 
depressing burden from my shoulders, and what I can't allow the 
latter-day Pirsig and his "academical" cohort to destroy. The greatest 
metaphysical upheaval since Plato MUST not vanish.     

If you never having been oppressed by SOM's bleak view of ourselves 
as subjective prisoners inside our minds, never ever able to interact 
with reality because reality is DMB's "analogies", you are a lucky fellow 
and be my guest to write "interesting" posts, but this we witness here is 
a metaphysical upheaval of gigantic proportions. Quantum Physics 
pales compared to the Quality Metaphysics. 

Bodvar