[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

[Andre Broersen]

Bodvar to Craig, Ham, All:

Craig had suggested:

Pirsig emphasizes
>  >  static patterns of value.  Bo identifies the intellectual level with
>  >  Subjects&  Objects.  But what if Subjects&  Objects are seen as
>  >  static patterns of value?  Doesn't this bridge the gap between the 2
>  >  metaphysics?

Yes, yes, the SOL is all about it making the S/O a static value, it
bridges gaps and reconciles differences galore. SOM stripped of its
metaphysical rank - made into MOQ's highest static level - is the
panacea that gives MOQ's its phenomenal explanatory power
Thanks Craig, this is most promising and don't let the Great Inquisition
stop you from promulgating this idea.

Andre:
Craig, within the MOQ, subjects are social and intellectual patterns of value. Objects are inorganic and organic patterns of value. I really doubt if Bodvar's use of these two symbols designating these two levels coincide/comprise (with) his intellectual level. It cannot make sense.
Bodvar keeps on talking about the value of his S/O distinction as being the objective over the subjective...a 'detached' distinction between the two. How this is going to rhyme with your suggestion (and Bodvar's encouragement thereof) well, I will not hold my breath but am interested to hear Bodvar's further explanation.

I anticipate a decade-long exposition of the difference between the intellectual level and intellect, an equally long exposition about subject/object, subjective/objective, Bodvar's understanding of SOM and what the MOQ means by SOM, the necessity of a fifth level or not, and last but not least whether a metaphysics can be equated with Reality, Quality, the Tao, experience etc. etc.

You see, the first sentence of Bodvar's second paragraph '...the SOL is all about it making the S/O a static value IS exactly what the MOQ does. Objects are static inorganic- and organic patterns of value, subjects are static social- and intellectual patterns of value fused/blended into an organic, evolutionary whole.

I really think that Bodvar means something completely different... I mean, he rejects three-quarters of the MOQ and calls most of Mr. Pirsig's arguments and explanations "nonsense'. (see, for yet another instance of this, his post to me above).

I am afraid your suggestion won't change a thing. It will only encourage Bodvar to think that the percolating goes up instead of disappearing underground...which IS what a percolating machine does you know!(not sure if Bodvar ever got this).