[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

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Andre, John, All.

23 June.

John the Umpire:
> Andre 144,000 Bodvar 0. 

I see I have got myself  a new enemy ;-). Happy to see them all of K-
class size.

Andre previously:
> > > In the MOQ a culture is understood as a combination
> > > of social  andintellectual patterns of value.

Bodvar commented:
> > Who said so? It may have been said but it's nonsense, the Stone
> > Agers were as intelligent as ourselves, but none of their cultures
> > were intellectual.

Andre (triumphantly):
> > Ahum, ehhh I hate to say this but actually it was Mr. Pirsig... yep,
> > and this is very troublesome to you isn't it Bodvar... the man has
> > rescued you (going by your personal story) and you are blaming him
> > and chastising him and correcting him and naming him nonsensical in
> > the process of having done it!

I'm not Pirsig -focussed, it was his Quality insight (SOM=Intellect) that 
hit me, the person RMP have said many things since that runs counter 
to it, and these utterings I criticize. And if he has said that  "cultures 
are combination of social and intellectual patterns" it destroy all 
meaning. Now, there is a passage in LILA that says that confusion is 
due to lumping social and intellect together in the "culture" term. Had I 
just found it.   

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I delete your harangue, I have no idea  what it is supposed to prove or 
disprove?

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Bodvar before:
> > > Your "exasperated" tone begins to wear thin, You and Arlo don't
> > > (dare) face the argument that no level below intellect has any
> > > "regional" versions, why would intellect be an exception?

Andre:
> > Arlo is very, very capable of speaking for himself. What you are
> > doing is suggesting that the French culture is the same as the
> > American culture, the Inuit culture the same as the Chinese culture.
> > What you do not recognize is that these cultures are different
> > because their philosophical underpinnings are different. 

This is SOM-ish to the hilt, the Q-levels have no "regional" varieties.  
France, USA and the Western World in general  has intellect the top 
level (to the degree of creating social insecurity). The Inuits have 
social value their "leading edge" no intellectual value (but they are 
plenty intelligent). About China you better tell us.       

And back to the intellectual PATTERNS that Pirsig lists in LILA 
(democracy, freedoms of print and speech, human rights ...etc.) all 
these are S/O-ish) If this is  just "Western intellect", then Iran's Clerical 
regime - its despotism and Sharia Law - is just Middle East intellect? 
You see how silly this approach is.       

Andre:
> > You are repeating yourself, and your arguments Bodvar. It is getting
> > late here and I am tired now. Will address this particular one in a
> > next post...since when is truth 'objective'?

Yes I am repeating myself in the vain hope that it will penetrate, but 
alas. "Objective truth" is superfluous they are synonymous. Again 
thanks Andre, your exasperation may be a bit tiresome but it is meant 
to impresses the kindergarten clientele I understand.  

Bodvar