[MD] The Quality/MOQ meta-metaphysics

[MarshaV]

Hello John,

I think this is also a good way to interpret RMP's words.   


Marsha  
 
 
 
 
On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:07 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Marsha and Craig,
> 
> I also agree but I thought I'd share how this formulation struck me when I
> first read it...
> 
> Intellectual formulations are static responses to past experience.  With
> time, they become obsolete.  When we "kill" all intellect, we are re-opening
> ourselves to what is good in the moment.
> 
> Some intellectual patterns will reassert themselves because they're good
> (Quality is served)
> 
> Some will reassert because they're too embedded and we haven't gone deep
> enough.
> 
> And some will die out completely to be replaced by something better that we
> can't see while blinded by the "intellectual glasses" of present knowledge.
> 
> Killing all intellect is a supreme act of faith - faith that what is good
> will re-install.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:00 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:45 AM, craigerb at comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>>> [Marsha]
>>>> RMP is vey, very clear where he writes:
>>> "While sustaining biological and social patterns
>>> Kill all intellectual patterns.
>>> Kill them completely
>>> And then follow Dynamic Quality
>>> And morality will be served."
>>> (LILA, Chapter 32)
>>> .
>>> What is clear is that RMP means for us to abandon preconceived notions
>>> and examine our ideas anew. He does not mean for us to forego
>>> intellectual patterns forever. (He advocates intellectual level control
>>> over the social level.)
>> 
>> 
>> Craig,
>> 
>> I think you are correct, and I do agree.  But there is
>> something to be gained by killing those intellectual
>> patterns for a while.  There is an important comparison
>> to be realized:  unpatterned/patterned.  It's not what
>> you think.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
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>>> 
>>> [Arlo previously]
>>>> What about the social pattern of slavery?
>>> 
>>> [Marsha]
>>>> This is not a now event.
>>> 
>>> .
>>> O if only this were true. Slavery is still a problem (e.g., child slaves,
>>> sex slaves, slavery between tribes/religions.)
>>> .
>>> "Remember that the central reality of the
>>> MOQ is not an object or a subject or anything else."
>>> (RMP, notes 132, 133 in LC)
>>> 
>>> .
>>> Pirsig here refers to Quality (= "the central reality of the
>>> MOQ"), not the MoQ itself.
>>> Craig
>>> 


 
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