[MD] Richard Dawkins vs John Lennox

[Gareth Evans]

Thank you nom for the link.
Pirsig taught rhetoric and this talk continues the false dichotomy of
theisim-atheism as identical with the opposition of religion and science.
The opposite of science is not religion but art. As de Bono taught so many
years ago the yes-no form of logic can only confirm the validity of a
solution. The methods of normal logic do not necessarily lead to a solution
in the absence of a creative hypothesis. The methods of science lead to
technology, the equivalence of mass and energy lead to Nagasaki and
Hiroshima. Science kills as many as religion.
Pirsig's two works, Lila and ZMM are both literary works subject to
interpretation. They are works of art. No two individuals will experience
them exactly the same. That is what in my opinion the Metaphysics of Quality
was invented for. Pirsig argued,in my opinion, that we all have an intuitive
sense of quality. In my opinion,Lennox is more open to quality. Dawkins more
wants to codify and make static that which is beautiful. He has less
quality. Maybe that is a solution to the age old debate of religion being
opposed to science. But the MOQ with its foundation in art is continuously
creative and can not be contained.

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:30 PM, nom de plumeweb <nomdeplumeweb at gmail.com>wrote:

> Howdy Folks,
>
> This is my first post.  I offer it because I could think of no others
> who may best appreciate what I may have stumbled into.
>
> The link below goes to an excerpt of a debate between Richard Dawkins
> and John Lennox.  The debate was hosted by the Fixed Point Foundation.
>
> While watching the first six minutes I could only think that both men,
> unknowingly, had managed to talk around and misattributed the role of
> Pirsig's Quality.
>
> If my distilled understanding of ZMM is correct, then this is the very
> situation which Pirsig tried to resolve and unify.
>
> Watch, and think, for yourselves.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBbBenCTTwE
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