[MD] MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality

[ian glendinning]

Paul, Mike, Bo,

Paul said to Ian
That's exactly right.  Subjects and objects become types of static
value patterns and lose their primary metaphysical status.

Thanks for that Paul. (Others note the are / bcome distinction.)

Mike said
I doubt that any of us can call ourselves enlightened, and
especially not when we are walking around dividing the world into
subjects and objects while claiming that our intellects have left
subjects and objects behind, without realising how impossible that is.

Ian replies
No Mike, it's not that hard. We do (I do) still walk around thinking
in terms of subjects and objects, it's pragmaticaly useful in everday
life in the same way newtonian physics is. The enlightnement some of
us, clearly you included, have actually achieved through MoQ is that
these are not metaphysically / absolutely significant in understanding
how the world actually works. We still use them, but we use them with
that enlightened knowledge. We recognise them for what they are. The
fossils of evolution. Static patterns of value.

Mike continued
We can only leave subjects and objects behind by suspending disbelief
and engaging in the creative dance of Quality, guided only by a vague
sense of we know not what.

Ian replies
Mike, I think that "vague sense of we know not what" is less and less
vague and more and more defined in our understanding of the MoQ.

Ian