[MD] MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality

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Ian

On 13 Dec. you wrote:

> Paul, Mike, Bo,

> Paul said to Ian
> That's exactly right.  Subjects and objects become types of static
> value patterns and lose their primary metaphysical status.
 
> Thanks for that Paul. (Others note the are / bcome distinction.)

If Paul's above is received with thanks. Phew! Wonder how he 
explains annotation # 4. 


    "In the MOQ, all organisms are objective. They exist in 
    the material world. All societies are subjective. They exist 
    in the mental world. The distinction is very sharp. For 
    example, the President of the US" is a social pattern. No 
    objective scientific instrument can distinguish a President 
    of the US from anyone else."  


This below by Paul (in a message for me) shows how deep into 
SOM he is. One of those who works against releasing the MOQ 
from intellect's prison. 

> So, without intellect there is no carbon.  Without carbon there is no
> DNA. Without DNA there are no organisms.  Without organisms there is no
> society. Without society there is no language.  Without language there
> is no intellect.  Wait, do you see a problem here???

This is a hotch-potch of quality terms and somish premises. 
Intellect="mind" and the inorganic patterns="matter" and exists 
only there. Biology and society are just perfunctorily mentioned, 
but plays no role. If "carbon" exists at the intellectual level, 
"organisms" and "societies" also do, so why not take it all out and 
say that all levels are intellectual patterns.         

Bo