[MD] MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality

[ian glendinning]

Look Bo, your stuff is just disparaging rhetoric.

Repetition of quotes already amply addressed previously get's us nowhere.

How could you possibly accuse Paul (or I) of working AGAINST releasing
intellect from anything. In fact we have been constatly suggesting
it's your very act of setting up intelect as SOMism / SOL that is
creating that prison. A fossilised pattern I called it. I couldn't be
working harder for the opposite if I tried.

You cloud the issue with that exchange with Paul. He was clearly
illustrating a problem, not defining a solution - stinking rhetoric by
you to quote it out of context.
Go boil your head.
Ian

On 12/14/05, skutvik at online.no <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> Ian
>
> On 13 Dec. you wrote:
>
> > Paul, Mike, Bo,
>
> > Paul said to Ian
> > That's exactly right.  Subjects and objects become types of static
> > value patterns and lose their primary metaphysical status.
>
> > Thanks for that Paul. (Others note the are / bcome distinction.)
>
> If Paul's above is received with thanks. Phew! Wonder how he
> explains annotation # 4.
>
>
>    "In the MOQ, all organisms are objective. They exist in
>    the material world. All societies are subjective. They exist
>    in the mental world. The distinction is very sharp. For
>    example, the President of the US" is a social pattern. No
>    objective scientific instrument can distinguish a President
>    of the US from anyone else."
>
>
> This below by Paul (in a message for me) shows how deep into
> SOM he is. One of those who works against releasing the MOQ
> from intellect's prison.
>
> > So, without intellect there is no carbon.  Without carbon there is no
> > DNA. Without DNA there are no organisms.  Without organisms there is no
> > society. Without society there is no language.  Without language there
> > is no intellect.  Wait, do you see a problem here???
>
> This is a hotch-potch of quality terms and somish premises.
> Intellect="mind" and the inorganic patterns="matter" and exists
> only there. Biology and society are just perfunctorily mentioned,
> but plays no role. If "carbon" exists at the intellectual level,
> "organisms" and "societies" also do, so why not take it all out and
> say that all levels are intellectual patterns.
>
> Bo
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