[MD] MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality

[David M]

Bo

I suggest we do jettison SOM
into the dustbin of history. 

Lets say:
rocks are patterns
plants are patterns
money is a pattern
theory of gravity is a pattern

we can all all thesae patterns SQ
lets call change and emergence DQ

and put them together and let's call it MOQ.

DM



----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality


> Ian 
> 
> You spoke thus:   
> 
>> How could you possibly accuse Paul (or I) of working AGAINST releasing
>> intellect from anything. 
> 
> Releasing intellect? I spoke about him hindering the MOQ to tear 
> loose from intellect's grip. Earlier you had written:
> 
>> > The lesson is to recognise the child-like simplicity, not to learn
>> > something more intellectual, in order to unederstand. 
> 
> And I agreed, it's my very point to see the MOQ as something 
> beyond the 4th level ("beyond intellect" sounds like giving up 
> one's senses). And the SOL represents that child-like simplicity.       
> 
>> In fact we have been constatly suggesting
>> it's your very act of setting up intelect as SOMism / SOL that is
>> creating that prison.
> 
> It's not me suggesting anything  but written all over LILA and 
> ZMM. It has been confirmed by Pirsig. See the next paragraph.     
> 
>> A fossilised pattern I called it. I couldn't be
>> working harder for the opposite if I tried.
> 
> The SOM is "fossilised" all right, but the quality of the S/O divide 
> cannot be jettisoned without us slipping back to the dark ages. 
> Therefore it is best encapsuled as the 4th level. The original 
> definition of this level as "mind" where ideas pop up and 
> disappear is rejected and in the same letter Pirsig said that the 
> Greeks "developed intellect" and this confirms that intellect is the 
> S/O. How can this slow and inevitable move in the SOL way pass 
> by unnoticed?  
> 
> I chose to ignore your parting "greeting", you are not the kind to 
> revert to foul language or hurt silence when arguments fail.    
> 
> Bo 
> 
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