[MD] New Model Army, Mystic(DQ) Experience, and Religion (SQ) as Power

[david buchanan]

gav said:
the MOQ is an explicit metaphysics with a mystical (implicit) 
summit/centre/source. the MOQ has a spiritual dimension: 'spirit' implying a 
higher order or intelligence at work. **does anyone disagree with this?

dmb says:
I use words like "spiritual" when talking about the MOQ, but feel like I 
gotta be very careful with it. In the Copleston annotations, Pirsig objects 
to the notion of theistic god, to the human soul (except as a literary 
expression) and he objects to the idea of a "spirit" insofar as it is 
concieved as something supernatural. And I think its not very hard to see 
why he might object to these theological concepts.

But I think we do need a word that refers to forms of consciousness that go 
beyond conventional thinking. Following Ken Wilber, I see spirituality as 
the higher end of cognitive development, something that is supposed to take 
us beyond logic and rationality. So, yea, I'd say it implies a higher order 
of intelligence, but its a natural, human intelligence and not a seperate or 
supernatural being.

How's that?

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