[MD] Dreaming and death

[Squonkonguitar at aol.com]

hey guys,

mark you said that sleep and death are a case  of
dropping the static and opening up to the dynamic...

so we can, and  of course ultimately do, go totally
dynamic...we return to the source...and  then the
source produces manifest reality in the wake of
quality  events.

now this source is real to me. it ain't some
wishy-washy  speculation; it is integral to an MOQ that
makes sense. without this 'source  - world - source'
cycle the MOQ don't work.
 
Mark: Hello Gav, Me too. No wishy washy here.
I feel it is VERY important to state that a proof of this is to  create.

Gav:
people are scared of death; of pain, of the last
breath, of  hell, of not-being. i think that is obvious
in our society: we can't handle  death and we can't
handle sex: anglo-american society is severely
retarded  in these respects.
 
Mark:
Not half. Sex, the little death? Come come Gav. ;-)

Gav:
does the MOQ affirm that death, like everything else,
is  essentially illusory?
 
Mark:
Living is the illusion, if living is an attatchment to sq patterns. It's a  
strange twist of linguistics that creative endeavour is sleep-like, death-like, 
 to kill the 'self'.
To be alive is to die it seems?
No wonder poets have such a good time of it, especially the French  poets.

Gav:
why do so many indigenous peoples worship their
ancestors? is it  that they realise that their
ancestors continue to influence manifest  reality, via
DQ? this seems right to me.
 
Mark:
It's a pity Gav you are not fighting for the MoQ on the inside of academia.  
That's my opinion if you will forgive me? You could do allot for the MoQ on 
the  inside. What a shame.

Gav:
what is dynamic quality?
 
Mark:
I love it. You've become so enthusiastic you've forgotten. DQ =  Nothingness.
 
Gav:
is it the integrated
consciousness/intelligence of everything  (and
nothing)?
 
Mark:
:-) sq can't handle this.

Gav:
i know we aren't supposed to talk much about DQ -
unpatterned  reality - but it is there and it is
integral, the lynchpin, of the MOQ.
 
Mark:
Cannot talk about. But one may say, 'Create'. 'Do'.
 
Gav:
as far as i am
concerned it is proof of afterlife, or whatever  you
want to call it (obviously difficult to describe here
folks) cos it  exists after you die. i think that this
point is of some comfort  generally...but maybe i am
just too narcissistic: immortality or  nothing!
 
Mark:
LOL

Gav:
and a non-sequitur to finish: when we talk of 'god' we
need to remember  that we are really often talking of
'gods'. even the bible has been changed  in this
regard: 'gods' replaced with 'god'. i think that our
evolution is  about consciousness, wedded to a material
body, evolving to a point where we  are gods, in that
we are fully conscious of who we are and the nature  of
reality. heaven on earth baby.
 
Mark: If DQ = nothing, and if you are part of an evolutionary process  toward 
DQ, then you are evolving toward nothing Gav.
On the way, you are a sq lense focusing DQ.
You make me smile Gav.
I feel warm toward you.
Dear Gav, thanks. :-)
Mark