[MD] FW: Ham on Esthesia

[Laycock, Jos (OSPT)]

Morning Case, morning Platt

I think the oil has more to tell about the scientist.

The dull GCSE science answer:
Oli in water shaken lesens the number of van der vaals interractions between
water mollecules (breaks bonds requires energy input) and increases exposure
of hydrophic carbon groups in the oil (decreases entropy). The system must
lose free energy (according to scientists) and so prefers bond formation and
hydrophic concealment in the ensuing melee. Mixed oil and water favours
becoming seperate as it increases the net disorder in the system and evolves
energy. It prefers to return to the lowest possible energy conformation
available under the ambient conditions.   

So to say that the universe favours dissapation though, is not necessarily
true, free enrgy equations just predict that you have to put energy into a
system in order to make it more ordered, but this also means that by making
a system more ordered (artificially) you absorb energy from the
surroundings, ie the system becomes "colder"/more efficient the more ordered
you make it. In a closed system volume takes effect.

As scientists disagree as to whether the universe is getting bigger or
smaller (and have no way to conceptualise its ambient surrounding), they
can't be sure whether its absorbing or losing energy. ie there's no
scientific veiw that our only purpose is dissapation.

Lets adopt the free energy eqautions as an analogy for the primary moral
order acting at the inorgainc level, apply this usage and then extrapolate
to other patterns:

Scientists agree that:

The more ordered a static pattern becomes (higher levels), the more it will
"absorb DQ", if a static pattern becomes less ordered (degenerates) DQ will
leave it (death). Movement in both directions is thus positive feedback
controlled.
or
The more something changes the more prone to change it will become, things
that resist change will become ever more static and lifeless.  


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> Subject: Re: [MD] Ham on Esthesia
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> [Platt]
> > If we are all connected and part of the universe, on what basis can
> > scientists claim the universe exhibits no purpose?
> 
> [Case]
> I can't speak for anyone but myself but purpose implys that 
> some future
> state causes changes in the present behavior. In the case of 
> your jar of
> oil and water. Once you inject it with dynamic quality by 
> shaking it up,
> the behavior in the jar becomes chaotic. After a time it 
> settles into a
> steady state of duality: oil and water. If you want to define 
> the purpose
> of oil as stating away from water, you can but it seems 
> anthropomorpic and
> trivial to me. Viewed that way the ulitmate purpose of the 
> universe is the
> dissipation of all dynamic quality into heat death. Not a purpose that
> sets my pulse to racing although my wife in convinced I have 
> embrassed it.
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