[MD] Kant's Motorcycle

[LARAMIE LOEWEN]

Case,

I actually agree with much of what you are saying here and in the past have 
been a little critical of Wilber myself.   Still, you might be surprised by the way
in which the recommended section looks at TITs.  I see integral post-metaphysics
as the solution to the inadequacies of SOM.  

Laramie
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  Laramie,

  I have listened to several of Wilbur's books or lectures on tape. I think he
  is a wacko. Color coded stages of enlightenment, multidimentional maps of
  lines and levels... puuulezzzz.

  I liked his borrowing of holons and enjoyed his review of Piaget but all
  this talk of higher levels of transcendental consciousness is just silly. We
  are not evolving TOWARD anything. We ARE consciousness. Our societies and
  shared memories are consciousness. I don't like taxonomies of the abstract
  at all but at least Pirsig's has face validity. Stability in the inorganic
  allows biological development. Societies are one form of biological
  evolution out of which shared memory and transmitted culture can develop in
  the Intellect. That is the process. Biological intellect may allow the
  development of machine intelligence or it may allow the flowering of life to
  spread. But talk about transcendent consciousness it just tiresome.

  Case

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  Case,

  You should really check out Ken Wilber's latest book, "Integral
  Spirituality".
  There is a section in the appendix entitled "Integral Post-Metaphysics" that

  I think you would find illuminating.

  Laramie
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