[MD] Quantum Physics

[Heather Perella]

> Chin) -- Quality would be like Dharma. 

     What is dharma?  I've heard of it, and looked it
up before, I can't remember, could you fill me in and
compare it to quality, please.

 
> Chin) I agree with what you are saying, Nothingness
> is the same as 
> Quality, and as long as you stick with ZMM,
> nothingness and Quality 
> would pretty much mean the same. 

     Also, the code of art, which is the realization
of quality by quality itself.  The dynamic morality
stating nothing is moral.  Nothing IS moral.  It is
firm and open.  The realization in Zen is
enlightenment, the 'original nature', 'original mind'.
 One lives Zen.  One lives quality, and then realizes
this living of Zen, of quality, and that is the path
to enlightenment, and the return home.

      [Chin]
> The difference between Zen and MOQ, or any
> spirituality and MOQ would 
> be in this Code of Art. In the Code of Art, morality
> is built through 
> the levels, systematically.

    The levels have moral codes, such as biological
level over inorganic, social over biological, and
intellectual over social.  Yet, as I quote here as
follows:  "Finally there's a fourth Dynamic morality
which isn't a code. He supposed you could call it a
'code of Art' or something like that, but art is
usually thought of as such a frill that that title
undercuts its importance."  This is the 'split'
between dynamic and static quality.  Dynamic quality
splits each of the levels, yes, and that 'split' is
code of art.  Yet, once the levels are established,
the moral value push-pull (conflict) is moral codes,
thus, not the "there's a fourth dynamic morality". 
The other moral codes are between static levels.


     [Chin]
 The intellect would be
> responsible for 
> defining morality in the social level -- correcting
> the morality of 
> the social level over cultural, spiritual
> influences, where Zen would 
> use spiritual traditions to lead to enlightenment
> correcting false 
> intellectual influences.

     Are you putting Zen on the social level of
spiritual traditions?  That would be incorrect.  Zen
is a philosophy, and a dynamic way, that allows Zen to
not be just a philosophy, but a practice, too.  Zen is
nothingness, thus, Zen is dynamic quality, and also,
Zen is intellectual, a static quality, also social.  I
would say a difference between Zen and traditional
western philosophies has been how Zen does not focus
on discriminations and realizes 'non-discriminative
Mind'.  Quality might be taking Zen and taking the
practices of the western philosophies that have lead
to the sciences and technologies of today, hand and
hand, thus, the 'oneness with nature' and the beauty
of Zen Mind and Practice and applying that bridge of
East meets West.  Quality might be that bridge.

      [Chin]
> Zen would lead to spiritual, artistic and moral
> development through 
> meditation and enlightenment, where MOQ would lead
> to spiritual, 
> artistic and moral development through the
> intellect, being science, 
> philosophy, metaphysics. 

     Zen is philosophy and a metaphysics.  Zen has a
deep, codified tradition of thought.  Zen is very
intellectual.


     [Chin]
> So even though I see nothingness, Quality and Code
> of Art as the same, 
> you follow different paths to get to the small self
> or the real self, 
> per MOQ. The Code of Art, morality, would already be
> built into the 
> levels.

     Code of art establishes the levels in the dq-sq
'split', but once established, these levels are
distinguished as moral codes of their own.  Code of
art is the original 'split' where quality realizes
itself.


     [Chin]
 Biology would already contain moral codes
> higher than 
> inanimate nature, society over biology, and
> intellect over society. 

      Sure.

     [Chin]
> Maybe what I am trying to say might work better if I
> say MOQ searches 
> for spiritual, artistic and moral development
> through intellect and 
> Zen through spirituality. 

     Zen is very intellectual.  Using the mind and
thus, thought, is a very active practice in Zen.  For
once one realizes nothingness, or as I like to say,
quietness, then in Zen the practice is to apply
nothingness everyday and night in all activities,
including speech.  To speak Zen.  To speak
non-thinking, nothingness, to speak quiet, is
compassion that is a pinch on the nose and saying that
is nothing.  This is sharing enlightenment.


     [Chin]
> But, then looking at how Pirsig got here was through
> self-reflection. 
> Self-reflection, or self-searching? Hmmmm?  

     Code of art is self-reflection.  This is quality
realizing itself.

     [Chin] 
> We came away from Quality, Arete, Dharma somewhere
> down the line? 

     How do see Arete and Dharma being quality?  

thanks,

kingfisher,
SA


 
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