[MD] Quantum Physics

[PhaedrusWolff at carolina.rr.com]

>     [Chin]
> It would also be true in the Ancient Zen teachings.
> Quality, Code of Art and Nothingness would all be the
> same in my view.
> 
> SA) I see code of art as enlightenment.  This
> experience of enlightenment is realizing quality, and
> what comes with this realization is that quality has
> been, and thus, is present.  This is the going-out
> into nowhere and realizing where one has always been. 
> It may seem like a going-out and a return, but as
> breathing is inhaling and exhaling - it is still
> breathing.  Nothingness is quality as well.  Quality
> can't be through and through Zen, or else Pirsig came
> up with nothing new, or maybe Quality is Zen and
> Pirsig was just a clarifier, hmmm.  Just as Dogen
> seemed to change Zen, but upon clarification, all that
> Dogen did was clarify Zen, he didn't change Zen.  As
> Pirsig says, the real quality is not the quality that
> can be spoken.  As Dogen would say, put down the book
> and mind, mind, mind!  Yet, Dogen wrote, and Pirsig
> wrote, as well.
 
Chin) -- Quality would be like Dharma. 

>     [Chin]
> Morality would come from our being ?True? to our
> nature. 
> 
> SA)  I like this.  I like this a whole lot!!!!!! 
> Morality is being good and true 'to our nature'. 
> Hmmm, this 'to our nature' what is that?  What is our
> nature?  I say Be Quiet!  To put that into MoQ
> terminology is to say 'our nature' is nothing. 
> Dynamic morality.  Code of art.  Nothing is moral. 
> Moral is openended.  Practice and Know.  Just be quiet
> and realize.  This would allow each and every one of
> us to be ture to 'our nature', which morality 'comes'
> from.  
>     I small quoted 'our nature', as that, for our
> nature is firm, but left open.  I also 'comes' for it
> is not really a going-out and coming back.  It is more
> a realization of 'oneself'.  I 'oneself' for 'oneself'
> is particular and yet, nothing:  impermenance: 
> Nothing is moral.  Quiet is true self.

Chin) I agree with what you are saying, Nothingness is the same as 
Quality, and as long as you stick with ZMM, nothingness and Quality 
would pretty much mean the same. 

The difference between Zen and MOQ, or any spirituality and MOQ would 
be in this Code of Art. In the Code of Art, morality is built through 
the levels, systematically. The intellect would be responsible for 
defining morality in the social level -- correcting the morality of 
the social level over cultural, spiritual influences, where Zen would 
use spiritual traditions to lead to enlightenment correcting false 
intellectual influences. 

Zen would lead to spiritual, artistic and moral development through 
meditation and enlightenment, where MOQ would lead to spiritual, 
artistic and moral development through the intellect, being science, 
philosophy, metaphysics. 

So even though I see nothingness, Quality and Code of Art as the same, 
you follow different paths to get to the small self or the real self, 
per MOQ. The Code of Art, morality, would already be built into the 
levels. Biology would already contain moral codes higher than 
inanimate nature, society over biology, and intellect over society. 

Maybe what I am trying to say might work better if I say MOQ searches 
for spiritual, artistic and moral development through intellect and 
Zen through spirituality. 

But, then looking at how Pirsig got here was through self-reflection. 
Self-reflection, or self-searching? Hmmmm?  

We came away from Quality, Arete, Dharma somewhere down the line? 

Chin