[MD] Research

[ian glendinning]

On "Bliss",
try this too.
http://www.algana.com/ramsey/psybertron.php

and this
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=1336

and this
http://www.psybertron.org/?p=1303

Ian

On 12/14/06, Squonkonguitar at aol.com <Squonkonguitar at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Ian and Dan,
>
> "Fugues have that interesting property, that each of their voices is a  piece
> of music in itself; and thus a fugue might be thought of as a collection  of
> several distinct pieces of music, all based on one single theme, and all
> played simultaneously...each of these individually meaningful lines fuse with  the
> others in a highly non random way, to make a graceful totality."
> [Hofstadter, GOEDEL, ESCHER, BACH, p. 283]
>
> Hearing a theme is like seeing a thing in a room, a section or movement is
> like a room, and a whole sonata is like an entire building. I do not mean to
> say  that music builds the sorts of things that space-builder does. (That is too
>  naive a comparison of sound and place.) I do mean to say that composers
> stimulate coherency by engaging the same sorts of inter-agent coordinations that
> vision uses to produce its illusion of a stable world using, of course,
> different agents. I think the same is true of talk or writing, the way these  very
> paragraphs make sense– or sense of sense–if any. Music, Mind, and Meaning.
> Marvin Minsky. Computer Music Journal, Fall 1981, Vol. 5, Number 3
>
> This seems to point to a philosophy of mind approach Ian?
> I know well the moq tries to avoid the term, 'mind' and it does have a sour
> Western bias - Indian philosophers may not even choose to recognise the term -
>  but if this area of research is a lock just waiting for sq/DQ to pick it
> then  maybe the stigma of the term, 'mind' may be a burden worth carrying for 3
> or 4  years?
> Key to picking this lock (excuse the musical pun) may be providing a very
> simple and elegant metaphysically stable account of what coherence is?
> Well, that's already been done hasn't it squire! (squire? lock?)
>
> If i wish to persuade the supervisors i have in mind (no! stop it!) to help
> me i need to interest them as well as gain freedom to follow my own path.
> Philosophy of mind, Metaphysics and Phenomenology are key areas of interest for
> these potential supervisors.
>
> I could hammer (piano)? the philosophy of mind approach to a point where  it
> crescendo's for one note to resolve it, and that note could be the moq?  In a
> sense, this would ensure the thesis is actually shot through with  Quality?
>
> I think it's true to say one can never know where help may emerge next and
> you and Dan may have started something here...
>
> But it's early days and this may all be for nowt.
>
> Thanks Dan and Ian,
> Love,
> Mark
>
>
> Hi Mark, .... ah, bliss ...
>
> (When I compare the comments here to my  earlier response, I noticed I
> used words like happy, excited you're happy,  postitive, etc up front
> too.)
>
> I won't repeat myself, but adding the  musical theme fits well too.
> (tuning / resonance / coherence etc). I think  this stuff is typically
> PoM / Evolved Intelligence / EvoPsych material too.  As well as the
> reference Dan gave you, look at Booth (who discovered the  Cello late
> in a life of academic rhetoric), as well as Minsky and of  course
> Hofstader for musical links between logic and aesthetic.
>
> Follow  your muse.
> I've said enough.
> Ian
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