[MD] Food for Thought

[LARAMIE LOEWEN]

>dmb had said:
>...there is a section of Lila where Pirsig puts the distinction between the 
>first and second levels in terms of gravity. Life, he says is opposed to the 
>laws of inorganic nature. Its seeks to overcome them, exploit them for its 
>own purposes. He says life could be defined by that which defies the law of 
>gravity and inertia, or something like that. He doesn't mean that life can 
>break the laws of nature, but locomotion and flight are ways to get around 
>them, so to speak. This is a way to think about what it is that makes a 
>level discrete and independent from its parent. In the same way, society 
>can't defy or ignore the need for food and sex or the desire for power, but 
>It can tame these demands, exploit them for its own purposes. And I'm just 
>saying that a similar principle of oppostion applies to the relationship 
>between the social and intellectual levels.
>
>DM replied:
>Is this MOQ or Nietzsche's Will to power? What do you think DMB?
>
>dmb says:
>Both. Like I said, the idea comes out of Lila, but it also fits pretty well 
>with Nietzsche, not to mention Darwin, Marx and Freud too. Its a principle 
>within an evolutionary theory. And its a theory that is not limited to 
>biological evolution but rather applies to everything, as Wilber might say, 
>from dirt to divinity.

The subject of one level become the object of the subject of the next level.
Robert Kegan has done great work with this concept.  Those interested might 
check out "The Evolving Self".

Cheers,
Laramie


 
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