[MD] Social Imposition ?

[david buchanan]

Arlo:

It's been fun watching this exchange. It seems you have utterly defeated 
Platt's argument and this is clear to everyone except him. Its easy to 
imagine that a guy might get frustrated by the sort of unshakable faith that 
refuses to budge even in the face of such obvious contradictions, so I 
thought I'd offer this little reality check. If this were chess, I'd say you 
check-mated the guy in two moves. If he didn't knock his King over as he 
read the line; "unites our minds as cells are united in the body" then he 
just doesn't understand the game he's playing.

Thanks,
dmb


>From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>Subject: Re: [MD] Social Imposition ?
>Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:15:44 -0500
>
>[Arlo had quoted Pirsig]
>Religion isn’t invented by man. Men are invented by religion. Men invent
>responses to Quality, and among these responses is an understanding of what
>they themselves are. You know something and then the Quality stimulus hits 
>and
>then you try to define the Quality stimulus, but to define it all you’ve 
>got
>to work with is what you know. So your definition is made up of what you 
>know.
>It’s an analogue to what you already know. It has to be. It can’t be
>anything else. And the mythos grows this way. By analogies to what is known
>before. The mythos is a building of analogues upon analogues upon 
>analogues.
>These fill the collective consciousness of all communicating mankind. Every
>last bit of it.
>
>[Platt]
>I spent the last 20 minutes searching for the word "mind" in the above 
>passage.
>Perhaps you can point out to me.
>
>[Arlo]
>If you'd read ZMM, you would know that a few lines earlier, still talking 
>about
>the mythos, Pirsig wrote "What keeps the world from reverting to the
>Neanderthal with each generation is the continuing, ongoing mythos, 
>transformed
>into logos but still mythos, the huge body of common knowledge that unites 
>our
>minds as cells are united in the body of man. To feel that one is not so
>united, that one can accept or discard this mythos as one pleases, is not 
>to
>understand what the mythos is."
>
>Hopefully it won't take you 20 minutes to find the word "mind" here.
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