[MD] Social Imposition ?

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Quoting david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>:

> Arlo:
> 
> It's been fun watching this exchange. It seems you have utterly defeated 
> Platt's argument and this is clear to everyone except him. Its easy to 
> imagine that a guy might get frustrated by the sort of unshakable faith that 
> refuses to budge even in the face of such obvious contradictions, so I 
> thought I'd offer this little reality check. If this were chess, I'd say you 
> check-mated the guy in two moves. If he didn't knock his King over as he 
> read the line; "unites our minds as cells are united in the body" then he 
> just doesn't understand the game he's playing.
> 
> Thanks,
> dmb

When cells "united in the body" become a "collective cell," let me know. What's
fun is watching you two collectivist-worshiping socialists play kissy-kissy.

Platt
 
 
> >From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
> >Reply-To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >Subject: Re: [MD] Social Imposition ?
> >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:15:44 -0500
> >
> >[Arlo had quoted Pirsig]
> >Religion isn’t invented by man. Men are invented by religion. Men invent
> >responses to Quality, and among these responses is an understanding of what
> >they themselves are. You know something and then the Quality stimulus hits 
> >and
> >then you try to define the Quality stimulus, but to define it all you’ve 
> >got
> >to work with is what you know. So your definition is made up of what you 
> >know.
> >It’s an analogue to what you already know. It has to be. It can’t be
> >anything else. And the mythos grows this way. By analogies to what is known
> >before. The mythos is a building of analogues upon analogues upon 
> >analogues.
> >These fill the collective consciousness of all communicating mankind. Every
> >last bit of it.
> >
> >[Platt]
> >I spent the last 20 minutes searching for the word "mind" in the above 
> >passage.
> >Perhaps you can point out to me.
> >
> >[Arlo]
> >If you'd read ZMM, you would know that a few lines earlier, still talking 
> >about
> >the mythos, Pirsig wrote "What keeps the world from reverting to the
> >Neanderthal with each generation is the continuing, ongoing mythos, 
> >transformed
> >into logos but still mythos, the huge body of common knowledge that unites 
> >our
> >minds as cells are united in the body of man. To feel that one is not so
> >united, that one can accept or discard this mythos as one pleases, is not 
> >to
> >understand what the mythos is."
> >
> >Hopefully it won't take you 20 minutes to find the word "mind" here.
> >
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