[MD] In the drink

[Ant McWatt]

Mark,

Maybe an anger management course and some meditation classes might also be 
in order on top of the AA group?

Anthony


Mark Maxwell stated December 20th:

>Mark 20-12-06: I was asked to rejoin this list after having left,  to 
>finnish
>some stuff off with MD members.
>I'm surprised to find you trying it on, but then again, it's par  for the
>course.
>Let's deal with your points one at a time...
>
>
>In connection with the 'Edge of Chaos' essay (found at:  www.moq.org/forum)
>Mark Maxwell stated September 20th 2003:
>
> >Anyway, this is great, i love it. You have knocked it into  shape. I only
> >hope
> >you have been credited enough and i am thinking it should be  co-written?
> >
> >Many thanks Anthony,
> >Mark :)
>
>Mark,
>
>In light of the all the hard work and the time I put into this  essay plus
>recent circumstances (where you've apparently forgotten all the  help and
>support I've given you over the years), I'm now accepting (if  belatedly)
>your offer as co-writer for this piece of work.
>
>Mark 20-12-06:
>You have already passed off my work as your own. What's all this  about
>belatedly?
>Now then, what you must remember is i have the original essay  versions,
>which chart it's development, so it can be demonstrated what work  you put 
>into
>it's editing: Your editing came at the end of the process in one  burst of
>rearranging of existent material.
>If you believe your editing amounts to co-authorship you  simply 
>demonstrate
>how generous i was in offering you co-authorship back in  2003.
>I'm confident people will simply react, 'Jesus, you offered him
>co-authorship for doing that? He's not written any of it!'
>I think this is known as hanging your self by your own petard  Anthony.
>If you wish to be known as the doctorate who abused the naive  good nature 
>of
>an undergraduate by stealing wholesale the work of that  undergraduate, 
>then
>you're a nasty piece of work.
>I stand by my appreciation of your editing, which was very much  needed. 
>But
>editing is not writing. You didn't write more than some very  superficial
>lines about 'Boys from the Blackstuff' and such. This can be  verified.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Anthony
>
>P.S. Congratulations on being taken as an M.Phil in philosophy at  
>Liverpool.
>
>Mark 20-12-06: The department you now feel to be full of clowns i  believe.
>
>
>P.P.S. It seems that some of your recent posts (e.g. see below)  have been
>made under the influence of alcohol (and I wasn't the first person  on the
>Discussion group who has noticed this).  If this is the  case, consider
>getting some help.  For your own sake and the sake of the  people who know
>you.
>
>Mark 20-12-06:
>Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
>Who was very rarely  stable.
>Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
>Who could think you under  the table.
>
>David Hume could out-consume
>Schopenhauer and  Hegel,
>
>And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
>Who was just as schloshed as  Schlegel.
>
>There's nothing Nietzche couldn't teach ya
>'Bout the raising  of the wrist.
>Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.
>
>John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
>On half a pint of shandy  was particularly ill.
>
>Plato, they say, could stick it away--
>Half a  crate of whiskey every day.
>
>Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the  bottle.
>Hobbes was fond of his dram,
>
>And Ren Descartes was a drunken  fart.
>'I drink, therefore I am.'
>
>Yes, Socrates, himself, is  particularly missed,
>A lovely little thinker,
>But a bugger when he's  pissed.
>
>Mark 20-12-06:
>I've written many e-mail's 'under the sauce' thanks very much, but  i'm not
>sure that makes me an alcoholic?
>It does make me a drunk e-mail writer on those occasions when i  happen to
>fulfil these conditions.
>If i did this once over five years it would be true.
>
>I suspect what you have in mind here is the following message for  the 
>forum:
>'Don't bother listening to Mark Maxwell because he's drunk  all the time.'
>But let's get back on track: I can prove you stole my work.
>A careful analysis of the editing process indicates rearrangement  of
>existing material.
>This skill was shown to you by Robert Pirsig.
>I sent a very early version of my essay to Platt Holden,  and he made a
>number of editorial suggestions. (Platt is thanked in the essay)  
>Therefore, Platt
>may verify what i say here. One of Platt's suggestions was  to place the 
>long
>quote at the top. This does not make Platt a co-author, and it  doesn't 
>make
>you a co-author either.
>
>Now onto a most interesting thing: Voice.
>You confirm in this very e-mail Anthony, do you not, that all  writing has 
>a
>voice.
>In fact, you are relying on this very phenomenon to bias the MD  against me
>with your alcoholism stuff?
>Yes, you are you vile individual.
>Now then, it's a damn funny thing, but it may be shown that in my
>possession, and in that of Mr. Pirsig, there happens to be found a  piece 
>of writing you
>pass off as your own, in which your voice suddenly, and  dramatically 
>changes
>to that of someone else who has a distinctive voice of my,  eerrrrrrrr, i
>mean, its own.
>I know the reason for this don't i Anthony?
>And you know the reason also don't you Anthony?
>
>What you have argued well for Anthony is that the Voice principle,  when
>evenly applied, appears to show that i have to drink heavily in order to be 
>  as
>slow as you are.
>
>If Horse is contemplating changing my essay on the forum then i  feel he
>should have a very careful think before he does so.
>
>[Hate],
>Mark (hick)!
>

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