[MD] In the drink

[Horse]

Mark

I asked you just a few days ago not to post anymore regarding the 
dispute between Anthony and yourself but I see you've ignored my request.
Both yourself and Anthony need to stop this now and resort to the proper 
channels to sort it out - i.e. the University.
MD is not the appropriate place to continue a discussion of this sort so 
once again I am asking both of you not to submit any more posts 
regarding this matter.

Thanks


Horse


Squonkonguitar at aol.com wrote:
>  
>  
>  
> Mark 20-12-06: I was asked to rejoin this list after having left,  to finnish 
> some stuff off with MD members.
> I'm surprised to find you trying it on, but then again, it's par  for the 
> course.
> Let's deal with your points one at a time...
> 
>  
> In connection with the 'Edge of Chaos' essay (found at:  www.moq.org/forum)  
> Mark Maxwell stated September 20th 2003:  
>  
>> Anyway, this is great, i love it. You have knocked it into  shape. I only  
>> hope  
>> you have been credited enough and i am thinking it should be  co-written?  
>>  
>> Many thanks Anthony,  
>> Mark :)
>  
> Mark,  
>  
> In light of the all the hard work and the time I put into this  essay plus  
> recent circumstances (where you've apparently forgotten all the  help and  
> support I've given you over the years), I'm now accepting (if  belatedly)  
> your offer as co-writer for this piece of work.
>  
> Mark 20-12-06:
> You have already passed off my work as your own. What's all this  about 
> belatedly?
> Now then, what you must remember is i have the original essay  versions, 
> which chart it's development, so it can be demonstrated what work  you put into 
> it's editing: Your editing came at the end of the process in one  burst of 
> rearranging of existent material.
> If you believe your editing amounts to co-authorship you  simply demonstrate 
> how generous i was in offering you co-authorship back in  2003.
> I'm confident people will simply react, 'Jesus, you offered him  
> co-authorship for doing that? He's not written any of it!'
> I think this is known as hanging your self by your own petard  Anthony.
> If you wish to be known as the doctorate who abused the naive  good nature of 
> an undergraduate by stealing wholesale the work of that  undergraduate, then 
> you're a nasty piece of work.
> I stand by my appreciation of your editing, which was very much  needed. But 
> editing is not writing. You didn't write more than some very  superficial 
> lines about 'Boys from the Blackstuff' and such. This can be  verified.
>  
> Best wishes,  
>  
> Anthony
>  
> P.S. Congratulations on being taken as an M.Phil in philosophy at  Liverpool.
>  
> Mark 20-12-06: The department you now feel to be full of clowns i  believe.
>  
>  
> P.P.S. It seems that some of your recent posts (e.g. see below)  have been  
> made under the influence of alcohol (and I wasn't the first person  on the  
> Discussion group who has noticed this).  If this is the  case, consider  
> getting some help.  For your own sake and the sake of the  people who know  
> you.
>  
> Mark 20-12-06:
> Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
> Who was very rarely  stable.
> Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
> Who could think you under  the table.
> 
> David Hume could out-consume
> Schopenhauer and  Hegel,
> 
> And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
> Who was just as schloshed as  Schlegel.
> 
> There's nothing Nietzche couldn't teach ya
> 'Bout the raising  of the wrist.
> Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.
> 
> John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
> On half a pint of shandy  was particularly ill.
> 
> Plato, they say, could stick it away--
> Half a  crate of whiskey every day.
> 
> Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the  bottle.
> Hobbes was fond of his dram,
> 
> And Ren Descartes was a drunken  fart.
> 'I drink, therefore I am.'
> 
> Yes, Socrates, himself, is  particularly missed,
> A lovely little thinker,
> But a bugger when he's  pissed.
>  
> Mark 20-12-06:
> I've written many e-mail's 'under the sauce' thanks very much, but  i'm not 
> sure that makes me an alcoholic?
> It does make me a drunk e-mail writer on those occasions when i  happen to 
> fulfil these conditions.
> If i did this once over five years it would be true.
>  
> I suspect what you have in mind here is the following message for  the forum: 
> 'Don't bother listening to Mark Maxwell because he's drunk  all the time.'
> But let's get back on track: I can prove you stole my work.
> A careful analysis of the editing process indicates rearrangement  of 
> existing material.
> This skill was shown to you by Robert Pirsig.
> I sent a very early version of my essay to Platt Holden,  and he made a 
> number of editorial suggestions. (Platt is thanked in the essay)  Therefore, Platt 
> may verify what i say here. One of Platt's suggestions was  to place the long 
> quote at the top. This does not make Platt a co-author, and it  doesn't make 
> you a co-author either.
>  
> Now onto a most interesting thing: Voice.
> You confirm in this very e-mail Anthony, do you not, that all  writing has a 
> voice.
> In fact, you are relying on this very phenomenon to bias the MD  against me 
> with your alcoholism stuff?
> Yes, you are you vile individual.
> Now then, it's a damn funny thing, but it may be shown that in my  
> possession, and in that of Mr. Pirsig, there happens to be found a  piece of writing you 
> pass off as your own, in which your voice suddenly, and  dramatically changes 
> to that of someone else who has a distinctive voice of my,  eerrrrrrrr, i 
> mean, its own.
> I know the reason for this don't i Anthony?
> And you know the reason also don't you Anthony?
>  
> What you have argued well for Anthony is that the Voice principle,  when 
> evenly applied, appears to show that i have to drink heavily in order to be  as 
> slow as you are.
>  
> If Horse is contemplating changing my essay on the forum then i  feel he 
> should have a very careful think before he does so.
>  
> Love,
> Mark (hick)!
> 
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