[MD] the prime directive of the MOQ

[Scott Roberts]

Gav,

Gav said:
what i am talking about is eminently simple: being
aware without thinking about what you are aware of. no
interior monologue passing comments/judgements, just
awareness of what is, now.
zen is very simple after all.

Scott:
Is it? How do you explain Franklin Merrell-Wolff's claim that in leading up 
to and through his Awakening, he never stopped thinking? Indeed, he says 
that it was a thought (specifically: "There is nothing to be attained") that 
precipitated his Awakening (of course after years of preparation). If by 
thinking you mean "monkey mind", of course Zen is about disciplining one's 
thinking to get rid of it. But I would call that purifying one's thinking 
(through Zen-like discipline) not eliminating it. You did note in that quote 
from Magliola, I hope, that "rigorous rationalism" can be seen as a skillful 
means. By this I do not mean to imply that intellect is the only means to 
Enlightenment -- feeling is another. What I reject, though, is the idea that 
intellect is an obstacle to Enlightenment.

Gav said:
i will post later about consciousness being synonymous
with DQ, and how an understanding, or better still: a
*recognition* that consciousness is the ground of the
self, the imperishable source of all. this is key if
we are to evolve past the dis-ease of
ego-identification; which is simply *identification
with thought-forms*. very few westerners get this at
the moment. for you to experience a thought at all
there has to be the ability to experience it, to
experience anything....this ground is what unites the
entire universe(s).

Scott:
Though I somewhat agree, I would call consciousness as being another name 
for that which Quality names, not DQ. That is, I see consciousness, value, 
and intellect to all be both -- or between -- the dynamic and the static.

- Scott