[MD] the prime directive of the MOQ

[gav]

hey david.
i agree with the logic of your statement but i don't
think it clarifies much. then again maybe my efforts
at explication don't clarify much....


--- David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi chaps
> 
> Do we not simply need to say that
> before anything new emerges such as a good
> idea there is the Nothing that is its original
> source?
> 
> DM
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
> To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] the prime directive of the MOQ
> 
> 
> > Gav, Scott,
> >
> > Your main assertion ...
> > "The maximisation of quality experience is the
> impetus for an authentic, 
> > moral,
> > valuable existence. this is primary."
> >
> > Completely agreed.
> >
> > The point Scott picked-up ...
> > "Awareness without thought" as the basis of MoQ /
> DQ / Zen etc.
> >
> > This "difficulty" is the core of so much debate -
> the words awareness
> > and thought as part of consciousness in general,
> and all our
> > definitional problems. (I'd have no problem
> stating this as
> > "Involvement without intellect" say.)
> >
> > Is this regressive ? - deliberately so of course.
> No Zen master (nor
> > Pirsig) is going to recommend everyone spends
> their (real) life in
> > that state continuously, the buddhist monks would
> have no-one to beg
> > from for a start :-) and there would be precious
> few experiences whose
> > quality to maximise. But it does force periodic
> regression to the
> > fundamental of all the layers, not just the
> bilogical, ie the quality
> > itself.
> >
> > Good post Gav
> > Ian
> >
> > On 1/11/06, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> hey scott.
> >> awareness without thought is the basis of zen.
> >> so zen is a regression eh? wonder if bob would
> agree?
> >> (that was sarcastically put)
> >>
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