[MD] the prime directive of the MOQ

[David M]

Hi chaps

Do we not simply need to say that
before anything new emerges such as a good
idea there is the Nothing that is its original source?

DM


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] the prime directive of the MOQ


> Gav, Scott,
>
> Your main assertion ...
> "The maximisation of quality experience is the impetus for an authentic, 
> moral,
> valuable existence. this is primary."
>
> Completely agreed.
>
> The point Scott picked-up ...
> "Awareness without thought" as the basis of MoQ / DQ / Zen etc.
>
> This "difficulty" is the core of so much debate - the words awareness
> and thought as part of consciousness in general, and all our
> definitional problems. (I'd have no problem stating this as
> "Involvement without intellect" say.)
>
> Is this regressive ? - deliberately so of course. No Zen master (nor
> Pirsig) is going to recommend everyone spends their (real) life in
> that state continuously, the buddhist monks would have no-one to beg
> from for a start :-) and there would be precious few experiences whose
> quality to maximise. But it does force periodic regression to the
> fundamental of all the layers, not just the bilogical, ie the quality
> itself.
>
> Good post Gav
> Ian
>
> On 1/11/06, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> hey scott.
>> awareness without thought is the basis of zen.
>> so zen is a regression eh? wonder if bob would agree?
>> (that was sarcastically put)
>>
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