[MD] New Age++

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Ian and Marsha

17 Jan. Ian said to Marsha who had said:

> > "It's been about his journey:  it's isolation,  it's arduousness, it's
> > cost, and the gift he received to bring back to his culture. Mr. Pirsig
> > is not a child of the Intellectual Level.  He is a child of Dynamic
> > Quality."

> How very true.
> We're all children of all the levels, intellect included (because he
> wrote a book and we're exchanging e-mails, if for no other reason). An
> important thing here is the same debate I'm having with Bo about
> "static" intellect.

"How true" you say, but don't you see that Marsha says that  
Pirsig (meaning the MOQ) is NOT a child of the intellectual level 
but of DQ (meaning that the MOQ has transcended intellect).

> Dynamic Quality is ultimately nothing without its static latches, 
but
> its the dynamism that adds new value. The dynamism of intellect is to
> be open to alternative intellectual viewpoints and views from within
> completely different worlds. We need to be careful not to paint
> intellect into a static SOMist corner, but to have it evolve, with all
> the value of myth and direct experience. Most of that dynamism is a
> process, a journey, a dialogue, an ongoing narrative. (See Matt's
> comment on the Baggini interview.)

I do of course agree with you that we are of all levels included 
intellect, but ..."not paint intellect into a SOMist corner" is rubbish. 
Intellect is a static level, no? Thus it must be painted into some 
static corner and SOM is where it belongs because it is SOM 
minus "M". What is MOQ's opponent other than SOM meaning 
that S/O becomes intellectual VALUE in the system that replaced 
it. 

Before the MOQ there was no "static intellectual level" only 
SOM's mind, a mental faculty that contained all ideas since 
mankind began to "think" and this is the kind of intellect some (no 
names) obviously want to introduce into the MOQ, but I refuse to 
believe that you can go on peddling this notion of the - again - 
STATIC intellectual level.   

> Intellect is not static - it's dynamic - it just has some static
> patterns within it - that we need to pay respect to, but not get hung
> on.

Intellect dynamic?! If you have fetched that notion from Matt 
Kundert so God help the MOQ. Intellect is as static as static 
comes!  OK we have our discussion going elsewhere so enough 
for now. 

Bo