[MD] New Age++

[ian glendinning]

DMB, Marsha and Gav,

Gav also said ... if you look for enlightenement, you're not going to
find it ...
He's absolutely right. (This is the same ineffability issue with
quality itself.)

This is the Helighen point about likening the enlightenment quest to
gaining Zen Satori. It's the Tao, its the way, it's the way to the
way. It's neither the means nor the end. It's simpy the "direction",
the framework.

The (Maslow) motivational "pyramid" has no apex, no pinnacle of achievement.
It's a matter of feeling comfortable with where you are - happy /
eudaimonia, etc.

Stop me, I'm rambling.
Iam

On 1/25/06, ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Marsha, DMB,
>
> I'm dropping into this thread a bit late ...
> "Is everyone looking for enlightenment, should they be ?"
>
> I liken this to the Maslow / Freudian stuff about what drives people.
> (Much maligned by those who fear the consequences.)
>
> People strive for what matters to them next, what they can see matters.
> If you're starving, food.
> If you're cold, shelter.
> If you're ignorant, knowledge, etc ...
> If you're (feeling sufficiently) healthy, wealthy and wise, then ...
> something more.
> (The earlier drives just become "hygiene" - you only care about not
> losing them, not the positive value of having them. Just like the MoQ
> Layers relationship, backstops, latches, no longer the dynamic
> qualities of progress.)
>
> Heylighen likened Maslow (and Pirsig), evolution to higher
> intellectual fulfillment to Zen "Satori".
>
> We can argue about what "enlightenement" is, but I think the framework
> describing the human drive towards it hangs together pretty well on
> all fronts; Spiritual and scientific.
>
> Ian
>
> On 1/24/06, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
> > At 11:01 AM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
> > >Once enligtenment is attained is there any going back?
> > >Is enligtenment SQ or DQ?
> > >Is it a state, a place, an experience, ???
> > >Has anyone here experienced it or anything close?
> >
> > Who could actually answer such questions?  Certainly not I.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Marsha
> >
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